The tweet is kind of weird. The commutation means the conviction stands, but the sentence changes. A pardon removes the conviction.malchior wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:09 pm You know how you can tell Trump is worthless trash goblin? He commutes a criminal like Stone who intimidated witnesses and retaliated against Vindman who told the truth. Trump is a stain on all of us. There is not a doubt that we face an existential crisis that can be resolved by running him out of Washington ASAP.
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If you accept a pardon, you accept the guilt of the original charge. By commuting it, Trump enables Stone to continue with appeals to truly clear his name. In reality, Stone will probably cut his losses and just maintain he was railroaded. The right is shameless anyway now and the conviction won't mean anything but bragging rights for him.stessier wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:32 amThe tweet is kind of weird. The commutation means the conviction stands, but the sentence changes. A pardon removes the conviction.malchior wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:09 pm You know how you can tell Trump is worthless trash goblin? He commutes a criminal like Stone who intimidated witnesses and retaliated against Vindman who told the truth. Trump is a stain on all of us. There is not a doubt that we face an existential crisis that can be resolved by running him out of Washington ASAP.
Edit: I shouldn't mean now. The Republicans have had this in them for a long time. It isn't like they banished G Gordon Liddy or Haldeman to the pit after they committed crimes for Nixon. They were generally taken care of. Their claims to law and order have always been a 'bitter joke' to anyone paying attention to how they treat their anti-heroes.
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Also. The very idea that you could have turned on someone, more or less admits there is stuff to turn.
Of course, Trumps main defense has always been ‘you can’t prove anything’
Of course, Trumps main defense has always been ‘you can’t prove anything’
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It very likely does. You typically only get favorable terms after you proffer useful, probative information.
Sure. He's a mob boss. He just bought silence in front of the world and the GOP is not going to do a damn thing to even speak out against it.Of course, Trumps main defense has always been ‘you can’t prove anything’
Edit: Romney at least did the right thing this morning.
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This is Stone announcing "I could turn on you and would prefer not to spend a single night in prison. Did I mention I could turn on you?"stessier wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:32 amThe tweet is kind of weird. The commutation means the conviction stands, but the sentence changes. A pardon removes the conviction.malchior wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:09 pm You know how you can tell Trump is worthless trash goblin? He commutes a criminal like Stone who intimidated witnesses and retaliated against Vindman who told the truth. Trump is a stain on all of us. There is not a doubt that we face an existential crisis that can be resolved by running him out of Washington ASAP.
In any normally corrupt scenario, Stone would have toughed it out and been made to wait for a post-election pardon/commutation. Stone holds all the cards here, and Trump knows he's willing to betray him to serve his own comfort.
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Well. I’ll only push back a little and say Stone’s chance to turn on Trump is history now.
I mean, Stone is no longer in a position to make any deals, not realistically. (Speaking of yesterday, not “now” now, of course)
But I do think it was an obvious ‘tap out’ by Stone and Trump has very few allies like Stone.
I mean, Stone is no longer in a position to make any deals, not realistically. (Speaking of yesterday, not “now” now, of course)
But I do think it was an obvious ‘tap out’ by Stone and Trump has very few allies like Stone.
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In honor of Roger Stone's pardon, here's a picture Alex Jones tweeted out of Stone flashing the white power symbol with some Proud Boys in a hotel bar in my hometown, where he'd just given the keynote address to the state GOP convention. The best people. Truly the best people.
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That's not ok.
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2018. Also, Alex Jones. What a world.
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I have no doubt that Stone will be back to engineering dirty tricks and other ratfucking before the weekend is done. It's what he is.
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I just donated to The Lincoln Project. Their ads are timely, prevalent, and the most effective and impactful attacks on Trump and the corruption in the GOP I've seen. I hope they keep going and push even harder. We need a legitimate two party system.malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:56 amIt very likely does. You typically only get favorable terms after you proffer useful, probative information.
Sure. He's a mob boss. He just bought silence in front of the world and the GOP is not going to do a damn thing to even speak out against it.Of course, Trumps main defense has always been ‘you can’t prove anything’
Edit: Romney at least did the right thing this morning.
Edited to add: Just jumped over to the NYT and read this opinion piece on the Lincoln Project. Worth a read.
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Unless this is a Constitutional amendment this is a total waste of time.
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I'm guessing it's just her way of getting Republicans to go on record supporting the President's corruption.malchior wrote:Unless this is a Constitutional amendment this is a total waste of time.
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The Stone commutation has prompted Robert Mueller to speak out.
The entire WaPo editorial by Mueller (spoilered for length):
tl;dr: Mueller defends his investigation, the facts of Russian interference and Trumpian acquiescence, and that Stone is a piece of shit.
The entire WaPo editorial by Mueller (spoilered for length):
Spoiler:
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Would have been nice if he said some of that stuff (I know he felt the report spoke for itself, but clearly he sees the light now) before...
It's nice he said it though.
It's nice he said it though.
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I've sent them a hundred dollars as well. As much as I disagree with them on many issues, I think it's critical that we have another rational party in Government, and the Lincoln Project may be the seeds of that some day. And they are brutally effective at getting under Trump's skin.Kurth wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:24 pm
I just donated to The Lincoln Project. Their ads are timely, prevalent, and the most effective and impactful attacks on Trump and the corruption in the GOP I've seen. I hope they keep going and push even harder. We need a legitimate two party system.
Edited to add: Just jumped over to the NYT and read this opinion piece on the Lincoln Project. Worth a read.
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Graham says he will call Mueller to testify before Senate panel about Russia probe
I can't bring myself to get excited about a single thing these days, but this does seem like something I would have liked to have heard in a time long long ago.
My money is on: Mueller will disappoint me.
I can't bring myself to get excited about a single thing these days, but this does seem like something I would have liked to have heard in a time long long ago.
My money is on: Mueller will disappoint me.
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This Graham? I wouldn't get your hopes up on him either.Unagi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:23 pm Graham says he will call Mueller to testify before Senate panel about Russia probe
I can't bring myself to get excited about a single thing these days, but this does seem like something I would have liked to have heard in a time long long ago.
My money is on: Mueller will disappoint me.
Not that I suspect you of having your hopes raised by Linsey Graham regardless these days.
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I mean...
So I guess commuting a sentence in exchange for the recipients promise not to incriminate is super terrific then and totally not a crime. We're all good!Sen. Leahy: “Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise not to incriminate him?”
AG Barr: “No. That would be a crime.”
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If Trump loses in 2020 by a large margin, it can only be seen as a mandate from the American public. At which point, it will be interesting to see if current republican office holders scramble to distance themselves from past Trump support, or if they'll resign/get kicked out in large numbers.
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Given that the Republican rank-and-file are a personality cult, they will remain under the spell of Dear Leader for as long as he lives, regardless of whether he's in or out of office. Most of the never-trumpers have retired or left the party; those who have not will coalesce around the Lincoln Project or some similar nucleus to form a new conservative party, while most of the GOP incumbents tear each other apart over who gets to be trump's heir.hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:18 pm If Trump loses in 2020 by a large margin, it can only be seen as a mandate from the American public. At which point, it will be interesting to see if current republican office holders scramble to distance themselves from past Trump support, or if they'll resign/get kicked out in large numbers.
That said, it's a little premature to celebrate the demise of the party that holds the presidency, the Senate, most governorships and state houses, the SCOTUS, and a large chunk of the federal courts.
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I don't think they're in thrall to Trump. I suspect behind closed doors they mock the orange doofus just as much as the next person. However, he has the reigns of power right now, and he's shown an eager willingness to attack anyone who doesn't show him complete and utter fealty, so of course they're going to tow the line in public.
But remove Trump's power and I bet we see an avalanche of "I never really believed in him much" mea culpas.
But remove Trump's power and I bet we see an avalanche of "I never really believed in him much" mea culpas.
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I believe he is referring to the maggats at large not office holders. Office holders will keep toeing the tRump line as long as the idiots in mainstream America follow him. Office or no office.hepcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:56 pm I don't think they're in thrall to Trump. I suspect behind closed doors they mock the orange doofus just as much as the next person. However, he has the reigns of power right now, and he's shown an eager willingness to attack anyone who doesn't show him complete and utter fealty, so of course they're going to tow the line in public.
But remove Trump's power and I bet we see an avalanche of "I never really believed in him much" mea culpas.
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Ah, my mistake. I was talking about politicians in my original post. I assumed they meant the same.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. "Rank-and-file" in my first sentence refers to the base. The second sentence was about politicians. Whatever they think of trump himself, they need the 90% of Republican voters who approve of him.
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This got lost in the Stone noise but this was very dirty. This is police state stuff folks. That it now just gets lost in the shuffle of worse abuses should be a concern. It also is probably no coincidence that the tax ruling came down the same day. They are taking no chances with him.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:58 pmCohen was put back in jail because he refused to cooperate:Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, was sent back to prison Thursday after refusing to sign a home confinement agreement barring him from publishing a book or speaking to the media, according to law enforcement officials and Cohen's attorneys.
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Roger Stone stayin' classy.
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The right is chittering about indictments coming out of the bullshit Barr Russia probe.
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Barr DOJ burned FBI sources.
Interesting note: The NY Times spends a good part of this article talking about the 'deeply flawed' Steele dossier. It still seems that they are holding to the Trump partisan political narrative that the 'document itself' is an issue versus it's composition as *RAW INTELLIGENCE*. It was never intended to be released as some polished intelligence report. It always feels like some attempt at balance to frame it like this. It unfortunately plays into the dangerous narrative being spun around it by Trump's stooges especially Barr and Graham. The NY Times at least clearly says that it wasn't the basis for the subsequent Russia investigation.
Interesting note: The NY Times spends a good part of this article talking about the 'deeply flawed' Steele dossier. It still seems that they are holding to the Trump partisan political narrative that the 'document itself' is an issue versus it's composition as *RAW INTELLIGENCE*. It was never intended to be released as some polished intelligence report. It always feels like some attempt at balance to frame it like this. It unfortunately plays into the dangerous narrative being spun around it by Trump's stooges especially Barr and Graham. The NY Times at least clearly says that it wasn't the basis for the subsequent Russia investigation.
Not long after the early 2017 publication of a notorious dossier about President Trump jolted Washington, an expert in Russian politics told the F.B.I. he had been one of its key sources, drawing on his contacts to deliver information that would make up some of the most salacious and unproven assertions in the document.
The F.B.I. had approached the expert, a man named Igor Danchenko, as it vetted the dossier’s claims. He agreed to tell investigators what he knew with an important condition, people familiar with the matter said — that the F.B.I. keep his identity secret so he could protect himself, his sources and his family and friends in Russia.
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The report blacked out Mr. Danchenko’s name and other identifying information. But within two days, a post on a newly created blog entitled “I Found the Primary Subsource” identified him, citing clues left visible in the F.B.I. document. A pseudonymous Twitter account created in May then promoted the existence of the blog. And the next day, RT, the Kremlin-owned, English-language news and propaganda outlet, published an article amplifying Mr. Danchenko’s identification.
The decision by Justice Department and F.B.I. leaders to divulge such a report was highly unusual and created the risk it would help identify a person who had confidentially provided information to agents, even if officials did not intend to provide such a road map. The move comes at a time when Mr. Barr, who is to testify before lawmakers on Tuesday, has repeatedly been accused of abusing his powers to help Mr. Trump politically.
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Mr. Danchenko’s identity is noteworthy because it further calls into question the credibility of the dossier. By turning to Mr. Danchenko as his primary source to gather possible dirt on Mr. Trump involving Russia, Mr. Steele was relying not on someone with a history of working with Russian intelligence operatives or bringing to light their covert activities but instead a researcher focused on analyzing business and political risks in Russia.
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If only he went after COVID as hard as he does for the people trying to see his tax returns.
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i.e. Witch Hunt !
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Oh, hey. SDNY is investigating the Trump Org for bank and insurance fraud.
We've all assumed that this is the case, but this is a wider formal investigation than we've heard about before. The fun part is that Bill Barr can't interfere here.
How awful would it be to have a presidential candidate under active criminal investigation??
We've all assumed that this is the case, but this is a wider formal investigation than we've heard about before. The fun part is that Bill Barr can't interfere here.
How awful would it be to have a presidential candidate under active criminal investigation??
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Isn't this the New York state DA rather than SDNY?Holman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:52 pm Oh, hey. SDNY is investigating the Trump Org for bank and insurance fraud.
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Specifically it is the Manhattan DA.Max Peck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:51 pmIsn't this the New York state DA rather than SDNY?Holman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:52 pm Oh, hey. SDNY is investigating the Trump Org for bank and insurance fraud.
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Based upon prior reporting, It seems most likely that Trump engaged in tax fraud or financial fraud by providing false information to either the NYC property tax authority or to his banks:
https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... istencies
If he were to be re-elected i wonder how this would play out. It wouldn't be the Justice Department involved so the whole "we can't indict a sitting president" thing wouldn't fly. So it comes down to how the Supreme Court would rule because you know it is going there in the end.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... istencies
If he were to be re-elected i wonder how this would play out. It wouldn't be the Justice Department involved so the whole "we can't indict a sitting president" thing wouldn't fly. So it comes down to how the Supreme Court would rule because you know it is going there in the end.
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Also insurance fraud by undervaluing them in separate filings with reportedly different numbers of floors.Grifman wrote:Based upon prior reporting, It seems most likely that Trump engaged in tax fraud by providing false information to either the NYC property tax authority or to his banks:
https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... istencies
If he were to be re-elected i wonder how this would play out. It wouldn't be the Justice Department involved so the whole "we can't indict a sitting president" thing wouldn't fly. So it comes down to how the Supreme Court would rule because you know it is going there in the end.
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If he undervalued them for insurance purposes, is that really fraud? He's paying for coverage worth less than what the buildings are really worth. He's paying less but he's getting less too, and since he is getting what he paid for, I don't see the harm to the insurance companies.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:41 amAlso insurance fraud by undervaluing them in separate filings with reportedly different numbers of floors.Grifman wrote:Based upon prior reporting, It seems most likely that Trump engaged in tax fraud by providing false information to either the NYC property tax authority or to his banks:
https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... istencies
If he were to be re-elected i wonder how this would play out. It wouldn't be the Justice Department involved so the whole "we can't indict a sitting president" thing wouldn't fly. So it comes down to how the Supreme Court would rule because you know it is going there in the end.
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I agree that this doesn't sound like insurance fraud to me. And I don't think it'd be insurance-based bank fraud either because you'd imagine the loan underwriters would need the original insurance documents and would have a team of lawyers/accountants/insurance experts review them. He would have needed to be insuring them for the appropriate amount for the loan to be approved.Grifman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:44 amIf he undervalued them for insurance purposes, is that really fraud? He's paying for coverage worth less than what the buildings are really worth. He's paying less but he's getting less too, and since he is getting what he paid for, I don't see the harm to the insurance companies.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:41 amAlso insurance fraud by undervaluing them in separate filings with reportedly different numbers of floors.Grifman wrote:Based upon prior reporting, It seems most likely that Trump engaged in tax fraud by providing false information to either the NYC property tax authority or to his banks:
https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... istencies
If he were to be re-elected i wonder how this would play out. It wouldn't be the Justice Department involved so the whole "we can't indict a sitting president" thing wouldn't fly. So it comes down to how the Supreme Court would rule because you know it is going there in the end.