OOWW: JLA ... GAME OVER!

[triggercut]

8


8!

I forget what 8 was for.

[triggercut]

Does Supes scan reveal roles or just team alignment?

Both, my dear lad.

[Lassr]

However, after the Mara Jade incident, I don't take anything for 100%.

Dammit! I was going to type "REMEMBER MARA JADE!" when you came back with your highly unlikely this happened post.

[bb2112]

However, after the Mara Jade incident, I don't take anything for 100%.

Dammit! I was going to type "REMEMBER MARA JADE!" when you came back with your highly unlikely this happened post.

Yeah, that is one play that will live on in infamy. Being the mod it was like watching a slow motion train wreck with me screaming "NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"

Not that I really cared one way or the other if Mara got converted, just the way it happened totally screwed the Rebels.

[Remus West]

Not that I really cared one way or the other if Mara got converted, just the way it happened totally screwed the Rebels.

Excuse me? I did not screw the Rebels. I turned on the evil Empire and put them in their place. The Galaxy was fortunate that Luke spoke to me before his untimely death and thus allowed me the chance to do away with that despotic regime.

[El Guapo]

Wow you guys were busy last night.

Anyhow, no conversion last night. So the question becomes whether Supes was converted night 0. Seems unlikely since we probably have at least one scanner and/or Batman, and the scanner probably would've hit Supes, or Batman would've come forward and said there's been a conversion (incidentally, if Batman is around and if there's been a conversion, I'd say that's worth him coming forward, given how important the supes conversion issue is and since I feel like that's 90% of Batman's powers).

Here's a crazy scenario for you: Supes is converted night 0, tru1cy jumps on to get "proven" by SuperQuinn, and they find out that Qantaga is a scanner / Batman, so they off him. Now, in this scenario Batman would've declined to announce the conversion on day 1, but it's possible.

But I think we have to go with the assumption that Supes wasn't converted yet, right? The alternative is asking a shooter to off Supes just on the risk that he was.

[El Guapo]

Not that I really cared one way or the other if Mara got converted, just the way it happened totally screwed the Rebels.

Excuse me? I did not screw the Rebels. I turned on the evil Empire and put them in their place. The Galaxy was fortunate that Luke boned spoke tome before his untimely death and thus allowed me the chance to do away with that despotic regime.

[Lagom Lite]

If I understand the rules correctly, Superman could not have been converted tonight - unless there's some way for a Villain to get killed in the night (Martian Manhunter? But that would mean two deaths, unless MM was protected and my God you're right this game is Chaotic ).

So. Qantaga dead, one of the known trusted besides triggercut & tru1cy (well, as trusted as can be with a potential conversion around). As long as there is a night kill, one might summize that triggercut hasn't been comverted?

Still, if the Joker is simply holding on to his power, waiting has the risk of getting our Shooter/s killed in the night.

 bb2112 
 

After playing this game for almost a year, one thing I've noticed: Players that don't have an open mind, tend to be evil, because they already have the answers.

I see you still don't have a reason for your vote.

Because of your claim, I will not vote for you right now. We will see how things play out with you first.

I want to go back and reread how the trains came about and people's reaction to them before I cast my vote.

My mind is plenty open. Question is, why do you try to construe that my mind is closed, based simply on my putting a vote for you?

Talky wolf is talky?

[triggercut]

I can tell you this: I have not been converted.

Not to meta things up too badly, but if Newc had been converted, not sure he'd have needed to find a replacement Superman. Given the passive nature of his power and his membership on a team where everyone knows one another, he could have floated by with minimal participation to the end.

[Remus West]

I can tell you this: I have not been converted.

Not to meta things up too badly, but I'm going to try to anyway.

FTFY

[bb2112]

My mind is plenty open. Question is, why do you try to construe that my mind is closed, based simply on my putting a vote for you?

Game Started March 9th.
Your vote on me started March 13 and hasn't changed.

It is now March 22nd. 4 days of the game without vote on me, 9 days with. Game is only 13 days old. That would mean 69% of the game you have been beating one drum.

Now why would you say your mind is open?

[El Guapo]

My mind is plenty open. Question is, why do you try to construe that my mind is closed, based simply on my putting a vote for you?

Game Started March 9th.
Your vote on me started March 13 and hasn't changed.

It is now March 22nd. 4 days of the game without vote on me, 9 days with. Game is only 13 days old. That would mean 69% of the game you have been beating one drum.

Now why would you say your mind is open?

But the thing with that is, if you're a wolf wouldn't you be more inclined to be open-minded? Wolves don't care who they kill (unless know a powered), just that they kill. Could be that evil LL sees you as a ripe target, but I think the most likely explanation is that he's just fixated on you for whatever reason.

[triggercut]

 Isgrimnur 
 

[bb2112]

But the thing with that is, if you're a wolf wouldn't you be more inclined to be open-minded? Wolves don't care who they kill (unless know a powered), just that they kill. Could be that evil LL sees you as a ripe target, but I think the most likely explanation is that he's just fixated on you for whatever reason.

I have just noticed in several instances that it doesn't tend to work that way though. Even the one time I was evil I tried to get everyone to focus on Isgrimnur. I thought for sure I had the smoking gun that would get him lynched and just kept after it. Nobody bought into it and it ended very badly for me btw. It was actually comical how badly it ended for me.

I could point to a couple of other instances like Theo in the last game, but in the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter. Even though I think he is lying, it is too early to vote for him without more proof.

[Remus West]

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle triggercut - Superman
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga - Scanned Good by Superman - Killed in Night
8) tru1cy - Scanned Good by Superman
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite - Claimed Role
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff - Claimed Role
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi

So, assuming Grund and Lagom are telling the truth (not sure how likely I think that is regarding either let alone both), we have 4 living "knowns" + 2 from Wonderwoman (unless Q was her first scan and her protection the reason there was no night kill 1st night) would give us 7 (including Wonderwoman herself), add in any shooters and remove their targets the number go up. Right now we potentially have 7/16. We'd have 8/16 with a single shooter. If I felt better about the Grund and Lagom claims I'd say it was time for a shooter to come forward. As it stands I think wiser to remain silent and wait. The other problem with relying on pure numbers (as a reveal would be doing) is the potential conversion not just of Superman but of anyone previously "known" good. And the potential for there to actually be no shooters.

[El Guapo]

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle triggercut - Superman
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga - Scanned Good by Superman - Killed in Night
8) tru1cy - Scanned Good by Superman
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite - Claimed Role
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff - Claimed Role
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi

So, assuming Grund and Lagom are telling the truth (not sure how likely I think that is regarding either let alone both), we have 4 living "knowns" + 2 from Wonderwoman (unless Q was her first scan and her protection the reason there was no night kill 1st night) would give us 7 (including Wonderwoman herself), add in any shooters and remove their targets the number go up. Right now we potentially have 7/16. We'd have 8/16 with a single shooter. If I felt better about the Grund and Lagom claims I'd say it was time for a shooter to come forward. As it stands I think wiser to remain silent and wait. The other problem with relying on pure numbers (as a reveal would be doing) is the potential conversion not just of Superman but of anyone previously "known" good. And the potential for there to actually be no shooters.

Why are you assuming we have wonder woman?

[Mr Bubbles]

8


8!

I forget what 8 was for.

Ha.. Am I geek for getting the reference.

[Mr Bubbles]

So, assuming Grund and Lagom are telling the truth (not sure how likely I think that is regarding either let alone both),

You probably should have stopped right there. Lagom is a smooth talking devil. He gets no pass until there is a 100% verifiable outing.

[triggercut]

PLAYERS

1) bb2112
2) Isgrimnur
3) coopasonic
4) Newcastle triggercut - Superman
5) El Guapo
6) Remus West
7) Qantaga - Scanned Good by Superman - Killed in Night
8) tru1cy - Scanned Good by Superman
9) theohall
10) purge
11) Lagom Lite - Claimed Role
12) Lassr
13) Mr Bubbles
14) Grundbegriff - Claimed Role
15) Austin
16) RMC
17) Unagi

So, assuming Grund and Lagom are telling the truth (not sure how likely I think that is regarding either let alone both), we have 4 living "knowns" + 2 from Wonderwoman (unless Q was her first scan and her protection the reason there was no night kill 1st night) would give us 7 (including Wonderwoman herself), add in any shooters and remove their targets the number go up. Right now we potentially have 7/16. We'd have 8/16 with a single shooter. If I felt better about the Grund and Lagom claims I'd say it was time for a shooter to come forward. As it stands I think wiser to remain silent and wait. The other problem with relying on pure numbers (as a reveal would be doing) is the potential conversion not just of Superman but of anyone previously "known" good. And the potential for there to actually be no shooters.

Why are you assuming we have wonder woman?

Indeed. Why?

[Remus West]

because if there is no scanner for our side from the beginning we are completely hosed. I was under the impression that Wonderwoman was the only role we could be certain of due to this.

[El Guapo]

because if there is no scanner for our side from the beginning we are completely hosed. I was under the impression that Wonderwoman was the only role we could be certain of due to this.

1) My impression is that no role is guaranteed, therefore we do not have any guarantee of a scanner; and

2) Doctor Fate also has a scanning ability.

[bb2112]

because if there is no scanner for our side from the beginning we are completely hosed. I was under the impression that Wonderwoman was the only role we could be certain of due to this.

1) My impression is that no role is guaranteed, therefore we do not have any guarantee of a scanner; and

2) Doctor Fate also has a scanning ability.

Was just going to say the same thing, but your post popped up first.

[Unagi]

8


8!

I forget what 8 was for.

THANK
YOU !!!!

[triggercut]

This is an interesting development. Trying to sort out what it means.

[tru1cy]

Trig are you going to answer my question about Qantaga?

[coopasonic]

This is an interesting development. Trying to sort out what it means.

uhh what development? Are we still talking about Qs death?

[triggercut]

Trig are you going to answer my question about Qantaga?

Still deciding. Not sure it's the best idea to tell if Parasite is in the game.

[triggercut]

This is an interesting development. Trying to sort out what it means.

uhh what development? Are we still talking about Qs death?

Nah.

My antenna start perking when someone in a game where no roles are fixed seems to know a certain role is in the game, and then comes up with a not-altogether-believable reason for dropping that knowledge.

[bb2112]

Trig are you going to answer my question about Qantaga?

Still deciding. Not sure it's the best idea to tell if Parasite is in the game.

Parasite: At Night chooses a Dead Player, has use of a Dead Players power the next available Phase (Day/Night) (chooses Dead Player and is informed of POWER, if no POWER, informed NONE)

BOILERPLATE NIGHT:
Batman: which Corpse will you Identify?
Wonder Woman: Who will you Compel?
Martian Manhunter: Who will you Contact?
Green Lantern: Who will you Negate?
Doctor Fate: Will you Scan or will you Contact?
Flash: Who will you Protect?
Captain Marvel: Will you Reveal?
Lex Luthor: Who will you Scan?
Clayface: Who will you be?
Parasite: Which Corpse will you Use?
Villains: Who will you Attack?

According to the order, does this mean that Parasite cannont choose the same corpse as a current night kill? Since the choosing of the corspe would be before the night kill?

Although tonight, assuming we lynch someone today, and everything works in the order it does above, that would be 2 choices for parasite tonight. Q and our lynch. Again assuming it works in order, then currently Parasite is not anyone.

[bb2112]

Lex Luthor - Lex may discover the identity of one Player at Night. As long as Lex is alive the Villains will learn the identity of any Player the Villains kill at Night.

Crap. But then again, they may already know the identity of Q anyway.

[El Guapo]

hmmmm...one thing that just occurred to me. If the villains have parasite, then there's no big rush to convert, right? If the Joker winds up getting lynched, then the villains could just have parasite take his power and use it to convert someone, right? If so, then there'd be no risk to waiting to use the conversion power. Or, a small risk since theoretically the heroes could shoot joker if they have a shooter and then lynch parasite on the same day, but that would be unlikely in the extreme.

[Remus West]

hmmmm...one thing that just occurred to me. If the villains have parasite, then there's no big rush to convert, right? If the Joker winds up getting lynched, then the villains could just have parasite take his power and use it to convert someone, right? If so, then there'd be no risk to waiting to use the conversion power. Or, a small risk since theoretically the heroes could shoot joker if they have a shooter and then lynch parasite on the same day, but that would be unlikely in the extreme.

Why do you seperate yourself from Heroes?

[Unagi]

I missed where he did that.

[triggercut]

I missed where he did that.

Guapo is talking about "the villains" and "the heroes" in third person.

Maybe he's not a member of either!

[Chaosraven]

According to the order, does this mean that Parasite cannont choose the same corpse as a current night kill? Since the choosing of the corspe would be before the night kill?

Although tonight, assuming we lynch someone today, and everything works in the order it does above, that would be 2 choices for parasite tonight. Q and our lynch. Again assuming it works in order, then currently Parasite is not anyone.

Correct, the Parasite must choose a Player who is Already Dead (not Mostly Dead) to Drain.

[Unagi]

Sometimes a wolf is so hypersensitive to his own rule of always saying 'we' and 'our side' or 'the innocents' when discussing the good guys, the use of third person looks like a transgression worthy of a mob's retribution.

[El Guapo]

hmmmm...one thing that just occurred to me. If the villains have parasite, then there's no big rush to convert, right? If the Joker winds up getting lynched, then the villains could just have parasite take his power and use it to convert someone, right? If so, then there'd be no risk to waiting to use the conversion power. Or, a small risk since theoretically the heroes could shoot joker if they have a shooter and then lynch parasite on the same day, but that would be unlikely in the extreme.

Why do you seperate yourself from Heroes?

I didn't, would be the short answer. But if you want to read using the third person in hypotheticals that way, knock yourself out.

[Remus West]

hmmmm...one thing that just occurred to me. If the villains have parasite, then there's no big rush to convert, right? If the Joker winds up getting lynched, then the villains could just have parasite take his power and use it to convert someone, right? If so, then there'd be no risk to waiting to use the conversion power. Or, a small risk since theoretically the heroes could shoot joker if they have a shooter and then lynch parasite on the same day, but that would be unlikely in the extreme.

Why do you seperate yourself from Heroes?

I didn't, would be the short answer. But if you want to read using the third person in hypotheticals that way, knock yourself out.

So what's the long answer because it certainly looks like you sperated yourself from both groups. I can understand the seperation from the villains regardless of your side but referring to the hero side as "they" rather than "we" catches my attention.

[El Guapo]

hmmmm...one thing that just occurred to me. If the villains have parasite, then there's no big rush to convert, right? If the Joker winds up getting lynched, then the villains could just have parasite take his power and use it to convert someone, right? If so, then there'd be no risk to waiting to use the conversion power. Or, a small risk since theoretically the heroes could shoot joker if they have a shooter and then lynch parasite on the same day, but that would be unlikely in the extreme.

Why do you seperate yourself from Heroes?

I didn't, would be the short answer. But if you want to read using the third person in hypotheticals that way, knock yourself out.

So what's the long answer because it certainly looks like you sperated yourself from both groups. I can understand the seperation from the villains regardless of your side but referring to the hero side as "they" rather than "we" catches my attention.

Because the question that I was self-answering involved analysis from the villains perspective. That is, if the villains have parasite, do they have any reason to do a conversion early? And the answer was yes - the villains would have to consider the risk that the heroes have a shooter that they could use to wipe out joker and parasite in one day cycle.

[Remus West]

So, which are you?