What happens if Trump steals the next election?

[Drazzil]

What happens if Trump steals the next election? Either through ballot stuffing or election interference? Could the military step in? Would the people protest? What happens then?

[hepcat]

I highly doubt he could/would be able to pull that off. The more likely situation is that a lot of idiots vote for him...again.

[Jeff V]

Impeachment proceedings would progress.

[YellowKing]

I have thought about whether or not I can fully trust the results of the 2020 election, provided Trump is still in office for the election (and maybe even if he's not).

After all, he's done absolutely nothing to stop Russian interference and is openly trying to get foreign powers to assist on his behalf. Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I really can't even contemplate 4 more years of GOP presidential power because it's too depressing.

[Smoove_B]

Not trusting the election process is an intentional by-product of Putin's efforts. Really, he's achieved so much more than he ever likely thought possible. Influencing Trump was one thing. Having the support of a complicit Congress? Who saw that coming?

[Drazzil]

I think that if our country survives this we will no longer be able to give presidents a "free pass" for stuff they did in office. We cannot and remain a country.

[Kraken]

Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I don't accept the last one. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million; he only gamed the EC by 80,000 votes spread over four states; and he could only do that with Russian help (and Democratic ineptitude, but that part's not on him).

He got away with it once. If he is the nominee, he can do it again. Voter suppression is in full swing; the Russians have had four years to hone their methods; and Tulsi's going to go independent.

[Drazzil]

Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I don't accept the last one. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million; he only gamed the EC by 80,000 votes spread over four states; and he could only do that with Russian help (and Democratic ineptitude, but that part's not on him).

He got away with it once. If he is the nominee, he can do it again. Voter suppression is in full swing; the Russians have had four years to hone their methods; and Tulsi's going to go independent.

I can beat that. I don't accept the Bush 00 victory. That was the time I believe that historians will point to the 2000 election as the moment we lost our government.

One of my high school teachers said one of his eastern european friends was amazed when Clinton didn't order tanks on the street following Bush v Gore. I remember thinking he should have. Time has NOT changed my opinion.

[Isgrimnur]

I really can't even contemplate 4 more years of GOP presidential power because it's too depressing.

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[pr0ner]

Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I don't accept the last one. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million; he only gamed the EC by 80,000 votes spread over four states; and he could only do that with Russian help (and Democratic ineptitude, but that part's not on him).

He got away with it once. If he is the nominee, he can do it again. Voter suppression is in full swing; the Russians have had four years to hone their methods; and Tulsi's going to go independent.

I can beat that. I don't accept the Bush 00 victory. That was the time I believe that historians will point to the 2000 election as the moment we lost our government.

One of my high school teachers said one of his eastern european friends was amazed when Clinton didn't order tanks on the street following Bush v Gore. I remember thinking he should have. Time has NOT changed my opinion.

[dbt1949]

Trump got almost half the votes last time. The people who voted for him last time are going to do it again. We may not want to believe it but all these investigations and impeachment hearings have not bothered his fanbase.
Especially against a liberal Democratic contender.

[Kurth]

Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I don't accept the last one. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million; he only gamed the EC by 80,000 votes spread over four states; and he could only do that with Russian help (and Democratic ineptitude, but that part's not on him).

He got away with it once. If he is the nominee, he can do it again. Voter suppression is in full swing; the Russians have had four years to hone their methods; and Tulsi's going to go independent.

I can beat that. I don't accept the Bush 00 victory. That was the time I believe that historians will point to the 2000 election as the moment we lost our government.

One of my high school teachers said one of his eastern european friends was amazed when Clinton didn't order tanks on the street following Bush v Gore. I remember thinking he should have. Time has NOT changed my opinion.

This may be the stupidest thing I’ve seen posted on these boards, and given some of our more infamous members, that’s saying something.

Please, don’t post stupid crap like this.

[Drazzil]

Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I don't accept the last one. He lost the popular vote by 2.8 million; he only gamed the EC by 80,000 votes spread over four states; and he could only do that with Russian help (and Democratic ineptitude, but that part's not on him).

He got away with it once. If he is the nominee, he can do it again. Voter suppression is in full swing; the Russians have had four years to hone their methods; and Tulsi's going to go independent.

I can beat that. I don't accept the Bush 00 victory. That was the time I believe that historians will point to the 2000 election as the moment we lost our government.

One of my high school teachers said one of his eastern european friends was amazed when Clinton didn't order tanks on the street following Bush v Gore. I remember thinking he should have. Time has NOT changed my opinion.

This may be the stupidest thing I’ve seen posted on these boards, and given some of our more infamous members, that’s saying something.

Please, don’t post stupid crap like this.

What happens if Trump manages to swing ANOTHER election and the now "conservative" supreme court rules the President not answerable to congress?

Remember now the highest court in our land has already taken to meddling in election processes to stop recounts, to say nothing of citizens united. How would it be stupid to say I wish Bill Clinton had launched immediate investigations into what the Repubs had done to infulence the election and refused to hand over reigns until we found out how deep the rot really went?

If I were arguing against myself I would say that something like that would have set a horrible precident in future elections in which a sitting president could disregard the results of an election.

To which I would say perhaps. Clinton could maybe have used his lame duck period to launch investigations into everything *else* other then the recount. Tampering, supression, florida palm beach, the whole 9. If he found fuckery THEN he could make a case directly to the American people. A nice end run against the SC. Maybe it would work, maybe we still have Bush.

I may have overstated things, on reflection when I said Clinton should have had tanks on the street. That was stupid. I just don't see how things could be worse then the constitutional crisis we face today.

Good lord we're fucked. The senate won't vote to impeach, the supreme court may rule Trump not accountable, using legal gymnastics, and Trump could get re elected LEGALLY never mind help from the Russians.

[Blackhawk]

I was about to post something about the real danger here being that Russia has so degraded our system that we risk part of the population not accepting the results of an election that goes against their expectations leading to actual violence.

I see I shouldn't have bothered.

[Drazzil]

I was about to post something about the real danger here being that Russia has so degraded our system that we risk part of the population not accepting the results of an election that goes against their expectations leading to actual violence.

I see I shouldn't have bothered.

I haven't trusted elections since you know when. Can we go back to paper ballots please?

[pr0ner]

I've used a paper ballot for many many years.

Get over yourself with your conspiracy theory, hope the system will burn down bullshit.

[hepcat]

Trump got almost half the votes last time. The people who voted for him last time are going to do it again. We may not want to believe it but all these investigations and impeachment hearings have not bothered his fanbase.
Especially against a liberal Democratic contender.

This...sadly

Also, no one has “stolen” an election. That conspiracy crap is just that...crap. Voters may have been swayed by Russian propaganda in the last election, but to say Bush vs Gore should have resulted in an armed rebellion just goes to prove you don’t really believe in a truly free society. You want a dictatorship.

[pr0ner]

I honestly can't tell sometimes if he wants anarchy or a dictatorship, so long as the system burns in the process.

[hepcat]

I think he's just angry and refuses to look for the real reasons as to why that is. It's easier to blame everything around you than it is to actually take stock of your own life.

[Z-Corn]

He just wants attention and he gets it here. Negative attention is still attention.

You can only sit around unemployed talking to cats for so many hours in a day before shitposting becomes your only means of communication with the outside world.

[hepcat]

Well, someone decided to go to 11, it seems.

[Drazzil]

Trump got almost half the votes last time. The people who voted for him last time are going to do it again. We may not want to believe it but all these investigations and impeachment hearings have not bothered his fanbase.
Especially against a liberal Democratic contender.

This...sadly

Also, no one has “stolen” an election. That conspiracy crap is just that...crap. Voters may have been swayed by Russian propaganda in the last election, but to say Bush vs Gore should have resulted in an armed rebellion just goes to prove you don’t really believe in a truly free society. You want a dictatorship.

Yeah. I backed off that didn't I? *checks* Yep

[Drazzil]

I honestly can't tell sometimes if he wants anarchy or a dictatorship, so long as the system burns in the process.

Nope. Used to hope for that. No longer. I'd be it's first victim.

[Drazzil]

I think he's just angry and refuses to look for the real reasons as to why that is. It's easier to blame everything around you than it is to actually take stock of your own life.

Took stock of my own life. I actually *like* my life now. For the first time I can remember. I'm happy.

[Drazzil]

He just wants attention and he gets it here. Negative attention is still attention.

You can only sit around unemployed talking to cats for so many hours in a day before shitposting becomes your only means of communication with the outside world.

You may have something there. I may need to rethink my extreme views before I post them here. It certainally does me no favors in the form of the dogpile, and you guys no favors in the irritation. Maybe I need to learn to keep some stuff to myself.

Tell you guys what. If'd affect your perceptions of me I promise to think about things a little more before I post them. If I "shitpost" in the future point it out, and I'll walk it back.

[Drazzil]

You know what? This seem to be a long ingrained pattern of behavior for me and... I'm sorry. I will endaevor to change in the future.

Now back to the question. This could be a great thread for examining all the myriad ways Trump could infulence the election.

[pr0ner]

I honestly can't tell sometimes if he wants anarchy or a dictatorship, so long as the system burns in the process.

Nope. Used to hope for that. No longer. I'd be it's first victim.

That's not what your manic posting history here, even recently, would indicate.

[Alefroth]

Haven't we already been debating all these ideas in various other threads? Could you at least make this a poll?

[Grifman]

I have thought about whether or not I can fully trust the results of the 2020 election, provided Trump is still in office for the election (and maybe even if he's not).

After all, he's done absolutely nothing to stop Russian interference and is openly trying to get foreign powers to assist on his behalf. Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I really can't even contemplate 4 more years of GOP presidential power because it's too depressing.

Votes are handled at the individual state level, with both Democrats and Republicans in the state election bureaucracies participating. It is highly unlikely that Trump could do anything to change an individual state vote count.

[hitbyambulance]

I really can't even contemplate 4 more years of GOP presidential power because it's too depressing.

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i'm 25 points short for qualification, but getting an actual job offer is an additional 50-60 points.

[GungHo]

Not trusting the election process is an intentional by-product of Putin's efforts. Really, he's achieved so much more than he ever likely thought possible. Influencing Trump was one thing. Having the support of a complicit Congress? Who saw that coming?

This. Absolutely.

[em2nought]

Youse guys are projecting, stealing elections is more of a democrat forte.

[YellowKing]

Votes are handled at the individual state level, with both Democrats and Republicans in the state election bureaucracies participating. It is highly unlikely that Trump could do anything to change an individual state vote count.

I'm not referring to direct vote manipulation, but similar psychological meddling as was done in 2016. Russian money fueling a third-party spoiler candidate. Some October surprise directed towards the Democratic candidate paid for by a foreign power, etc.

[hepcat]

Youse guys are projecting, stealing elections is more of a democrat forte.

Too bad that no one has ever, ever produced one damn shred of evidence that that has ever happened. But you know that. You just have trouble with the truth...like your orange dear leader.

[Zarathud]

The evidence shows Republican voting scandals. The latest include Republican Mark Harris interfering with absentee ballots in North Carolina and National college voter suppression

[El Guapo]

I have thought about whether or not I can fully trust the results of the 2020 election, provided Trump is still in office for the election (and maybe even if he's not).

After all, he's done absolutely nothing to stop Russian interference and is openly trying to get foreign powers to assist on his behalf. Is anybody going to trust another narrow Trump victory?

I really can't even contemplate 4 more years of GOP presidential power because it's too depressing.

Votes are handled at the individual state level, with both Democrats and Republicans in the state election bureaucracies participating. It is highly unlikely that Trump could do anything to change an individual state vote count.

What I worry about, especially given reported penetration of state databases in 2016 and Trump's intentional indifference to this subject, is a scenario where hackers (Russian or otherwise) delete or alter voting records in democratic areas in key states, especially ones with GOP secretaries of state who won't be too inclined to look too hard at voter complaints.

[Blackhawk]

Perhaps, if you really aren't trolling, instead of thinking twice about sharing views we all react strongly to, you might put that energy into thinking about why we'd react strongly to them.

Hint: Unfounded conspiracy theories and suggestions of extreme, violent responses are both likely to get such a reaction for some reason.