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Enough wrote: I also wish they would start calling this more than just radical Islamic terror, but then it's probably too long for a lede to say American homophobe with a history of domestic abuse, who likely found some fertile ground for his homophobia, misogyny and abusiveness in ISIS propaganda, heh.
And there is evidence that he committed himself to 2 or 3 different organizations (I don't recall off the top of my head) that are explicit enemies of each other, although all are Islamic extremists, so it's not like he had a coherent view or strong ideological identification with any of them, or he would have understood the differences between the groups.
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This particular shooting is really hurting me and my wife.

My wife has several really close gay and lesbian friends she has known for 20+ years. On occasion she will go out to clubs and drag shows for fun. I've met all these people and I can tell you these are some of the nicest people I've ever met. Any of them would literally drop whatever they are doing and help my wife with anything she'd need.

To read the hate and accusations against the gay community, particularly after this massacre, is hurtful beyond measure.

I'm not a religious guy and I don't believe in God. However, if there is something out there after this life and punishment is dealt out according to how you've lived now, there are plenty of scum bags getting theirs.
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Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
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GreenGoo wrote:Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
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Even assigning 0.0000000001% of the blame to the victims is so beyond the pale I don't know what to say.
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em2nought wrote:The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Thanks for letting us know that we should never care about what you have to say again. There's no place for victim blaming, even if it's 0.00000001%.
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em2nought wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Kinda like women who don't wear clothing that fully cover their bodies share some blame if someone decide to rape them.
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I see no mention of assigning blame to the victims in my statement. Maybe I should have said to the leadership in their communities instead. Nice quick twisting of my words to suit your purposes though.
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em2nought wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Are you fucking serious? That's some grade A stupidity right there. Jesus fuckballs on a pogo stick.
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tgb wrote:Even assigning 0.0000000001% of the blame to the victims is so beyond the pale I don't know what to say.
Unless of course they are Trump supporters. Anything they fall victim to lands at the feet of Trump and themselves.
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em2nought wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Yeah, sort of like when election volunteers get murdered in the south during the civil rights movement. Nobody likes hearing what they don't like to hear. Those uppity civil rights folks wanting to vote and all.

Oh and no, I don't think the LGBT community shares any blame in this and such an opinion is not only asinine but pretty damn inflammatory.
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em2nought wrote:I see no mention of assigning blame to the victims in my statement. Maybe I should have said to the leadership in their communities instead. Nice quick twisting of my words to suit your purposes though.
Sadly, there's no twisting needed to understand who you are. You've expressed pretty ugly sentiments like this before.
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tgb wrote:Even assigning 0.0000000001% of the blame to the victims is so beyond the pale I don't know what to say.
Unless of course they are Trump supporters. Anything they fall victim to lands at the feet of Trump and themselves.
And your mentor chimes in... :roll:
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em2nought wrote:The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16, which is why we blame Christians when someone guns them down for doing it, right?
em2nought wrote:I see no mention of assigning blame to the victims in my statement. Maybe I should have said to the leadership in their communities instead. Nice quick twisting of my words to suit your purposes though.
You're absolutely blaming them. Your "99.9999%" is just a fig leaf; the whole point of your post is that they shouldn't have been so "in your face" about existing.
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Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:Even assigning 0.0000000001% of the blame to the victims is so beyond the pale I don't know what to say.
Unless of course they are Trump supporters. Anything they fall victim to lands at the feet of Trump and themselves.
Totally uncalled for.
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em2nought wrote:The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this.
em2nought wrote:I see no mention of assigning blame to the victims in my statement. Maybe I should have said to the leadership in their communities instead. Nice quick twisting of my words to suit your purposes though.
Its always fun to see a person defend their bigotry with lies right after they put that bigotry in print.
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If you don't want to see GLBTs kissing in public, then why attack the "safe" place where they can kiss in private? From the start your whole argument is just plain ignorant, em2. It also brings the homophobia out more clearly.
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msteelers wrote:
em2nought wrote:The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
Thanks for letting us know that we should never care about what you have to say again. There's no place for victim blaming, even if it's 0.00000001%.
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So yesterday brought us Newt Gingrinch wistfully yearning for the return of one of the black marks on our past, restarting the House Un-American Activities Committee (which is at least the most appropriate name for a committee of all-time, considering that I can think of few things that represent a more Un-American Activity than such a committee). That was followed up by some sweet lecturing from Ted Cruz about how liberals should really be defending the LGBT community from anti-LGBT violence (HINT: coincidentally, it turns out that in the eyes of Ted Cruz, he is a champion of protecting this community from violence, because he understands that the countries that are his enemies engage in horrific treatment of the LGBT community).

Which would be a more compelling point if Ted Cruz didn't make it a habit of cozying up to people in this country that yearn to engage in the horrific treatment of the LGBT community. Where was his bravery and courage when he was being introduced to the National Religious Liberties Conference by Pastor Kevin Swanson - WHO HAD LITERALLY JUST GOTTEN DONE EXPLAINING TO THE CROWD THAT THE US SHOULD ENFORCE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR BEING HOMOSEXUAL, AND THAT THROWING THEM OFF OF CLIFFS WOULD MAKE A GOOD START?

Where was your bravery then Ted, when you embraced that despicable piece of shit?

And of course, the NRA blaming Orlando on political correctness and Obama. I mean Jesus H. Christ.
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Trivializing any attempt to decry bigotry by denouncing it as "political correctness" is the new rallying cry of the homophobic and racist portion of our country. It's like calling someone a "Red" during the era of McCarthyism.
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I just don't know what to say...
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Sort of like when I hear the word 'thug' being used as the new less filling N-word with the same terrible taste. I mean not every usage - Game of Thrones calling someone a thug would probably refer to the traditional usage - but if say thug is used in any news source's comments section.
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em2nought wrote: The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
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em2nought wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:Sorry Xmann. When people in power are willing to make laws about bathrooms just to screw with a person's sense of gender identity, we've got a long way to go towards acceptance. The attack was horrific. The public response has been both glorious on the one hand and ugly on the other.
The "in your face" agenda of the LGBT community/news/gov't/Zuckerberg should probably consider that they may share some blame in this. Constantly bombarding your enemy is bound to upset some of them, particularly a Radical Islamic dude. I'm not saying he doesn't bear 99.99999999% of the blame, but they should just consider how they promote themselves. Nobody likes to constantly hear somebody quoting John 3:16 either.
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BTW - sorry for the confusion and the unintentional rule breaking - I was talked metaphorically. I forgot that ignore lists were a 'feature'.
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Changing Hearts and Minds:
's Republican lieutenant governor surprised many with his speech at a vigil for victims of the Orlando shooting on Monday, where he apologized for his previous attitude and actions against LGBT people, KSL.com reported...

..."I grew up in a small town and went to a small rural high school," he said, according to the news site. "There were some kids in my class that were different. Sometimes I wasn’t kind to them. I didn’t know it at the time, but I know now that they were gay. I will forever regret not treating them with the kindness, dignity and respect — the love — that they deserved. For that, I sincerely and humbly apologize."...

..."Over the intervening years, my heart has changed," he said, according to KSL. "It has changed because of you. It has changed because I have gotten to know many of you. You have been patient with me. You helped me learn the right letters of the alphabet in the right order even though you keep adding new ones. You have been kind to me."
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Pyperkub wrote:Changing Hearts and Minds:
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Kudos. Need more like him who don't need tragedies to change their minds.
For those wondering, the correct answer is Utah.
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Pyperkub wrote:Changing Hearts and Minds:
's Republican lieutenant governor surprised many with his speech at a vigil for victims of the Orlando shooting on Monday, where he apologized for his previous attitude and actions against LGBT people, KSL.com reported...

..."I grew up in a small town and went to a small rural high school," he said, according to the news site. "There were some kids in my class that were different. Sometimes I wasn’t kind to them. I didn’t know it at the time, but I know now that they were gay. I will forever regret not treating them with the kindness, dignity and respect — the love — that they deserved. For that, I sincerely and humbly apologize."...

..."Over the intervening years, my heart has changed," he said, according to KSL. "It has changed because of you. It has changed because I have gotten to know many of you. You have been patient with me. You helped me learn the right letters of the alphabet in the right order even though you keep adding new ones. You have been kind to me."
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I never thought I'd be envious of Utah's Lt. Gov over my own.
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Enough wrote:Something interesting my dad pointed out: the media is actually wrong about this being the largest US mass killing. Wounded Knee? Sand Creek (2/3 of the killed American Indians were women and children for that one)? Ludlow?
I've heard most saying largest "in recent history" since it happened, but I guess it depends on the source.
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I've had at least one gay, and several who are bisexual. I've been to at least one LGBT club, and no not to scope it out as a potential target. I've got no problem with LGBT people personally. It seems like there are two sets of rules in this country now. The left are permitted to say anything they want. The right can't even share an idea that crosses their mind without being labeled a pariah.
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em2nought wrote:I've had at least one gay, and several who are bisexual...
Oh really? :think:
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Toe wrote:
em2nought wrote:I've had at least one gay, and several who are bisexual...
Oh really? :think:
Really, I hang out with swingers. My member's probably even touched another man's semen. I don't feel like killing anyone because of it.
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em2nought wrote:I've had at least one gay, and several who are bisexual. I've been to at least one LGBT club, and no not to scope it out as a potential target. I've got no problem with LGBT people personally. It seems like there are two sets of rules in this country now. The left are permitted to say anything they want. The right can't even share an idea that crosses their mind without being labeled a pariah.
It must be really hard to just want to be yourself and be treated equally like everyone else.
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msteelers wrote:
em2nought wrote:I've had at least one gay, and several who are bisexual. I've been to at least one LGBT club, and no not to scope it out as a potential target. I've got no problem with LGBT people personally. It seems like there are two sets of rules in this country now. The left are permitted to say anything they want. The right can't even share an idea that crosses their mind without being labeled a pariah.
It must be really hard to just want to be yourself and be treated equally like everyone else.
That's a valid point, it used to be the other way around. Y'all didn't like that too much either I suspect.
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RE: "In your face agendas", I honestly can't imagine living in a world where I would fear for my safety walking around holding hands with my wife in public. The idea that someone would potentially seek to cause us harm because we're displaying "in your face" heterosexual affection in public is something I can't even conceptualize. It boggles the mind.
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em2nought wrote:The left are permitted to say anything they want. The right can't even share an idea that crosses their mind without being labeled a pariah.
Well, that's not precisely true, but as a rule, the left are allowed to say things they want to say like "everyone deserves the dignity of being who they are without fear of persecution", while the right is occasionally reviled and labeled a pariah because ideas like "these people are an abomination and should be given the death penalty" cross their mind and then escape their stupid lips.
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em2nought wrote: It seems like there are two sets of rules in this country now. The left are permitted to say anything they want. The right can't even share an idea that crosses their mind without being labeled a pariah.
I think there's a third rule now too. The right can say any bigoted thing they want just as long as they trivialize the backlash as people being too uptight.

And did I read you right? Did you seriously just try to justify saying that the gay community should be blaming themselves for this tragedy because they're too "in your face" about their desire to be treated as equals in our society...by stating you may have touched a man's bodily fluids at some point?
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hepcat wrote:And did I read you right? Did you seriously just try to justify saying that the gay community should be blaming themselves for this tragedy because they're too "in your face" about their desire to be treated as equals in our society...by stating you may have touched a man's bodily fluids at some point?
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