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Unfortunately the most reliable 'to actually vote' voters align with those age brackets too.
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Kasey Chang wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:57 am IMHO, this is going to split the Republicans in half. A good portion of Republicans would never vote for Trump again, and feel betrayed by the GOP leaders for picking Trump in the first place. Either they defect or they don't turn out.
Or they just swallow the Crazy down like Lindsey Fucking Graham did. Whatever it takes to make it OK in your head (which is not much, since basic human behavior tells us we HATES admitting we were wrong about something, especially something Big and Important and Serious).
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Fascism on parade.

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Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:52 pmOr they just swallow the Crazy down like Lindsey Fucking Graham did. Whatever it takes to make it OK in your head (which is not much, since basic human behavior tells us we HATES admitting we were wrong about something, especially something Big and Important and Serious).
Lindsey has jumped off the deep end even considering recent behavior. If anyone missed it, 2 days ago he went on Bartiromo's program to call a carve out in the pademic bill for black farmers 'reparations'. Which is flat out racist at this point. Farm aid has disproportionately favored corporations and white farmers forever. A relatively small debt relief component aimed at minorities is hardly reparations. Good lord. Last night he went on Fox and said border insecurity was a great way to sneak in terrorists. The guy has simply decided he doesn't need to be anything but an tacticitly racist fearmonger.
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I don’t even think it’s that ‘organized’. Much like (but even worse maybe) Mitch McConnell, he takes on WHATEVER persona he needs to at any given moment, to sound “relevant” as he put it.

At least the Mitch rarely if ever (can’t?!) changes his demeanor, though his positions flail wildly. Graham one-ups him here by not only wildly changing positions to suit his ‘relevancy’, but ALSO his demeanor.

He can be whining and almost in tears begging for money one day on Hannity, then banging a gavel and having an angry tantrum pretending to be a hard ass the next.
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That's a good point. I have to wonder if it is an act or not. In 2014, they were saying his willingness to be serious and compromise were going to earn him a tea party challenge. Here we are 7 years later and he has suddenly sprouted nearly all of Trump's worst traits and adopted his policy positions. My opinion? He is another cynical power hungry POS.
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malchior wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:57 am That's a good point. I have to wonder if it is an act or not. In 2014, they were saying his willingness to be serious and compromise were going to earn him a tea party challenge. Here we are 7 years later and he has suddenly sprouted nearly all of Trump's worst traits and adopted his policy positions. My opinion? He is another cynical power hungry POS.
Yup. I think that 2016 disabused him of the notion that there was any future in McCain-ism in Republican politics, so he made the calculated (and unfortunately, probably correct) decision to go full MAGA.
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I cant believe so many people support Mitch even when he stands up and preaches not giving Americans free money. Never mind not supporting good bills and supporting stuff that hurts lower and middle class but supports the rich. Common sense says someone like that is instantly voted out quick as possible. But nope.
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Daehawk wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:46 am I cant believe so many people support Mitch even when he stands up and preaches not giving Americans free money. Never mind not supporting good bills and supporting stuff that hurts lower and middle class but supports the rich. Common sense says someone like that is instantly voted out quick as possible. But nope.
Because in the end they'll still get the money. They'll twist it into some fairy tale about how Mitch et. al. tried to stop minorities who don't deserve it.
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Octavious wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:26 am I've yet to met a Republican that is not in Trump's side. The idea they are splitting is just wishful thinking. Our only hope is that he choaks to death on one of his steaks.
It could be that those "moderate Republicans" have gone into hiding or declared themselves independent instead. :) I know I did. :D
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Small survey finds 5 factions in the GOP. I'm quoting the whole story because it's short.
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The Republican Party in the era following Donald J. Trump’s presidency is comprised of five “tribes” that have ranging affinity for the former president and different desires when it comes to seeing him continue to lead the party, according to a new survey by Mr. Trump’s former pollster.

The survey of 1,264 voters, who are registered Republicans or identify as Republicans, is the first comprehensive one conducted about G.O.P. voter sentiment since Mr. Trump left office, and as he considers running again in 2024. It was conducted by the Republican polling firm Fabrizio and Lee — which worked for Mr. Trump in his 2020 campaign but does not any longer.

The former president “still wields tremendous influence over the party, yet it is not universal or homogeneous,” the pollsters wrote in their summary. “We found that there are clear and distinct ‘tribes’ of Trump supporters within the G.O.P. and, not surprisingly, a small Never Trump group.”

Those “tribes” were identified as “Trump Boosters,” “Die-hard Trumpers,” “Post-Trump G.O.P.,” “Never Trump,” and “Infowars G.O.P.” The latter group, among other things, was described as viewing QAnon conspiracy theories favorably and believing in many of them.

According to the data, some 57 percent of Republicans polled said they would support Mr. Trump in an election again. That’s a strong majority, but nowhere near the job approval that he enjoys among all Republicans polled, which was 88 percent.

Among the groups, according to the survey, there were some distinctions in terms of how they viewed Trump.

The group identified as “Die-hard Trumpers” — supporters of the former president who would back him in a hypothetical primary regardless of who else was running but who don’t believe in QAnon conspiracy theories — comprised 27 percent of the Republican voters surveyed. Another 28 percent comprised the “Trump Boosters,” Republicans who said they approve of how Mr. Trump did his job, but only a slight majority of them support him being the nominee again, and they are more supportive of the Republican Party than Mr. Trump personally.

The “Never Trump” Republicans comprised 15 percent of the Republicans surveyed. Another 20 percent were described as “Post-Trump G.O.P.,” who like Mr. Trump but want to see someone else as the party’s nominee.

The “Infowars G.O.P.” voters, named for the conspiracy-laden news outlet that was founded by Alex Jones, comprised 10 percent of the voters surveyed, far from a majority but a significant enough portion of voters that, in a multicandidate primary, could play a factor. Only 13 percent of all the voters surveyed believed in QAnon conspiracy theories, the poll showed, but 69 percent of the “Infowars G.O.P.” voters backed those theories.
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Alabama GOP issued a resolution last week calling for everyone to view Trump as one of the greatest presidents in our country’s history. They gave him a signed and framed copy last night at Mar-a-Lago during their monthly Suck on Trump’s Balls event.
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They are absolutely going to deify him when he croaks and his kids are going to go on tour and spread the word of Trump. I 100% believe we're witnessing the origins of a new religion here.
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Smoove_B wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:10 am They are absolutely going to deify him when he croaks and his kids are going to go on tour and spread the word of Trump. I 100% believe we're witnessing the origins of a new religion here.
They're at least going to try to Saint Reaganize him. Republicans for decades to come will be required to declare their loyalty to him even after he's long dead.
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I guess he knows his base.
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Storming the capitol, refusing to disburse, breaking down doors and windows avoiding security entry taking tours of the floors of Congress and the private offices is not doing "anything to break the law?

We know what you are as one of the highest law makers of the land and how much respect for the law you actually have.
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If this doesn't perfectly describe the current state of the GOP, I've got nothing:

GOP argument is always:

1. It's illegitimate for Dems to do anything without at least some cooperation from us.
2. We're not gonna cooperate on shit.

The logic is that Dems can't ever do anything legitimate. And that is exactly the point.
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As another follow up, the only 12 votes against awarding medals to the capitol police for their work on 1/6 were (sit down) all GOP members. The problem? The language and description as to why they were being awarded medals.


12 members who voted against House bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to Capitol Police & those who protected the Capitol on Jan 6
Sports medal


Massie
Harris
Gooden
Good
Gaetz
Cloud
Clyde
Steube
Biggs
Gohmert
Greene
Rose

Final Tally: 413-12
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Well, we all knew Gohmert's a piece of shit anyway.

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IIRC, Gohmert wrote up a counter-bill that officially honored the officers who "died in January" but made no mention of Capitol attack whatsoever.

We'll see more and more of this kind of alternative history.
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Someone confront Gaetz on this. I wanna see if he whips out another teenage boy as his defense.
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Here's some more data points as to what the Alabama GOP is up to today - what they're currently prioritizing.

Alabama House has what promises to be a contentious calendar today. It includes bills banning on transgender youth playing sports of the sex with which they identify; a "born alive" abortion bill; legislation expanding rioting definitions & a ban on curbside voting.
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While we're defining the Republican Party, can we change it's nickname from GOP to GQP?
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Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:45 pm While we're defining the Republican Party, can we change it's nickname from GOP to GQP?
I think QOP is both sounds better and is more aesthetically pleasing.
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QKK sounds accurate to me.
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Well this happened. I'd casually mention to the guest that they already are aligned behind a fascist but that's just subtext.

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We're fascist extremists because you kind of forced us into it. Shrug. Whaddya gonna do?

I'm also soooo tired of the lie that BLM protesters who destroyed property were not held accountable. There were over 10,000 arrests, and many of those were non-violent protesters. And in fact, any quick Google search will show the statistics that BLM protesters were arrested in far greater numbers than even the Capitol insurrectionists.
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Whiny little bitch fascists.

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I agree about the accountability lie. It is completely tiresome. Especially with their ridiculous justifications and self-parody on this issue alone. Really? After 1/6 this is your take. Come on, man!

On the whiny front - that is the thing that strikes me too. They are jumping up and down like spoiled children because they don't get to keep blacks or the poor or whoever their disfavored enemy is in 'their place.' And what's scary is they still feel comfortable talking openly like this and get validation from a public figure with millions of viewers. This is bad stuff.
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I mean, there's a reason why Tucker Carlson is the alt-right's favorite talking head.
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If you don't let us be extremists we'll be extremists?
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Maybe it'll be a girlfriend of the adopted son who fell out of the sky.
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Birds of a feather...
The three people said that the examination of Mr. Gaetz, 38, is part of a broader investigation into a political ally of his, a local official in Florida named Joel Greenberg, who was indicted last summer on an array of charges, including sex trafficking of a child and financially supporting people in exchange for sex, at least one of whom was an underage girl.

Mr. Greenberg, who has since resigned his post as tax collector in Seminole County, north of Orlando, visited the White House with Mr. Gaetz in 2019, according to a photograph that Mr. Greenberg posted on Twitter.
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Must be "nice". Kick back with the President at the White House. Reminisce about the good old days with Epstein.
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