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He is talking about pre-clearance being an issue as if Texas just didn't drop a ridiculous and racist voting map...this week. He also is mischaracterizing the efforts. The new bill establishes a new formula. It doesn't just say pre-clearance (as it was) is back. They revamp it and restore the right to challenge racist gerrymandering that SCOTUS wiped away. It's completely inaccurate how he sums it up.
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malchior wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:01 am Just an underline that the "moderate" Republicans are still radicals. This is either complete delusion (lying to himself), ignorance, or just lying. I don't know but he is just not even close to right. The bills he talks about aren't even close to enough to solve the problem yet its too 'radical' for the likes of him.

Oddly enough I heard a republican US Senator last week who was incredibly reasonable and specific and felt like where did those people go and where are they now and how will he survive the Trump takeover?

That said, the guy you posted when asked what would you support for voting rights, just wasted 4 minutes of my life saying "I hope there's something" and then proceeded give an Ayn Rand school of opinion. Let's deconstruct vaguely and propose nothing.
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It’s the Trumpian way — a solution is coming, sometime and somewhere else. Infrastructure week is always next week….

They have no solutions, no ideas. Everything is just denying and stalling.
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New video from Madison Cawthorn tonight: “Our culture is trying to completely demasculate all the young men. You can look at testosterone levels in young men today, and they are lower than throughout all of history .. If you are raising a young man, raise them to be a monster!”
This toxic "manly man hurr durr" image of masculinity is so weird to me.
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More and more it's clear that people are getting the government they deserve. Unfortunately I too have to live with decisions made by idiots like Greene, Cawthorn, Gaetz, etc... because of how everything works. If these clowns were only toxic to the people that elected them? DIAF for all I care.

EDIT: Though I suppose that isn't fair as it doesn't account for the gerrymandering and suppression. But at some point people that were pro-gerrymandering and voter suppression were elected and they did what they were elected to do...so here we are.
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It is always so weird. 'All of history' is doing a lot of lifting there.
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Skinypupy wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:42 pm
New video from Madison Cawthorn tonight: “Our culture is trying to completely demasculate all the young men. You can look at testosterone levels in young men today, and they are lower than throughout all of history .. If you are raising a young man, raise them to be a monster!”
This toxic "manly man hurr durr" image of masculinity is so weird to me.
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Wow when I don't think he can go any lower...
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Pretty typical actually. This is not the first time he’s disrespected someone who just died, nor the worst IIRC.
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After behaving like this his entire life, I would have been surprised had he NOT sent out something that vicious. Trump has NEVER been a redeemable human being. He's always been a fucking scumbag. Up until recently, it was just chalked up to being a brash New Yorker. But now he's considered a leader of the country and it just points out what a failed human being he is because of his inability to grow.
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He wasn't too kind to McCain either.
hepcat wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:21 pm After behaving like this his entire life, I would have been surprised had he NOT sent out something that vicious. Trump has NEVER been a redeemable human being. He's always been a fucking scumbag. Up until recently, it was just chalked up to being a brash New Yorker. But now he's considered a leader of the country and it just points out what a failed human being he is because of his inability to grow.
That's the crazy thing for us. He was unacceptable to most New York-area folks for years. He is and was *HATED* here. I wouldn't be lying to say his safety was at risk if he walked out onto 5th avenue on his way to shoot someone. He didn't run off to Florida by chance. Part of it was grift and tax evasion but he was a pariah in his social circle. Everyone was starting to tell him to fuck off to his face.
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Look, the guy's an irredeemable asshole. He has every evidence by this point that not only is the Republican voting base not going to hold him accountable for it, that many / most will even *reward* him for it. So what's the reason to not let his asshole flag fly?
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Folks, we're in big trouble.

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We already knew they were the party of boobs.
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Ban Public Health, Ban Education, Ban Representative Democracy... yeah sounds about right.
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It's filled with liberals tears. Duh
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This could go in any number of threads (Shootings! Domestic extremism! COVID19!), but I'll just drop it here. From a Turning Point USA event on Monday, comment starts at 1:12:44.


While speaking at a Turning Point USA event this Monday night, Charlie Kirk took a question from a member of the audience — a question the audience member admitted was “a bit out of the ordinary.”

“At this point, we’re living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns?” the man asked, clarifying that his question was not a joke. “I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?”
They are absolutely itching for an excuse - any excuse - to begin shooting those they don't agree with.
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Right and notice how he deflects that because he knows it'll look bad. He externalizes it by saying that "they" are provoking your response. And then he moves on to using it as a justification for stealing elections for real. Meanwhile, they know they have this lightning in a bottle all saved up for when they need it. Trump already experimented with that power and they know it's there ready to be tapped if needed.
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If you're to believe Jack Posobiec (LOL), the person asking that question was just a plant, intended to rile things up.
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pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:00 pm If you're to believe Jack Posobiec (LOL), the person asking that question was just a plant, intended to rile things up.
"Anything that makes us look bad is antifa/liberal plant". Good to see they're sticking with the Greatest Hits.

My favorite is still "everything I don't like is communism, socialism, and/or tyranny" (even though they can't actually define any of those things), but that's a close second.
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The GOP seems really good at setting up plausible deniability.

"He was antifa."

"I'm a tourist and we were just visiting."

"I wore a bullet proof vest to the 1/6 speech because I was cold."

I cannot take anyone seriously that claims we had no way of seeing what's coming.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:09 pm The GOP seems really good at setting up IMplausible deniability.

"He was antifa."

"I'm a tourist and we were just visiting."

"I wore a bullet proof vest to the 1/6 speech because I was cold."

I cannot take anyone seriously that claims we had no way of seeing what's coming.
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Skinypupy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:09 pm
pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:00 pm If you're to believe Jack Posobiec (LOL), the person asking that question was just a plant, intended to rile things up.
"Anything that makes us look bad is antifa/liberal plant". Good to see they're sticking with the Greatest Hits.

My favorite is still "everything I don't like is communism, socialism, and/or tyranny" (even though they can't actually define any of those things), but that's a close second.
Democracy is mob rule tyranny of the majority communism but a republic is the only legitimate form of government. That bit never fails to make me hear the rest of your words sound like waawaawaa waawaawaa.

I remember, previous to 2015, I still tried to have good faith conversations with that sort of sophistry. Post 2015 me feels like everything from 2015 and before was a sucker.
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Skinypupy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:09 pm
pr0ner wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:00 pm If you're to believe Jack Posobiec (LOL), the person asking that question was just a plant, intended to rile things up.
"Anything that makes us look bad is antifa/liberal plant". Good to see they're sticking with the Greatest Hits.

My favorite is still "everything I don't like is communism, socialism, and/or tyranny" (even though they can't actually define any of those things), but that's a close second.
This was my thought listening to his response. He even calls the other side fascists. The words or definitions don't matter. For them it is all about what feeling they can inspire that gets them more power. And that feeling they inspire is often rage, anger, and hate. These guys know what they are doing. They are reckless and are getting people killed. And somehow yet we won't face it and therefore have no answer to it. The people we entrusted to protect us simply will not do it. I can't help but think we're individually and collectively on our own. That is why I keep preparing.
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Evil Evil Evil Evil. That the definition of the party.
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Skinypupy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:46 am This could go in any number of threads (Shootings! Domestic extremism! COVID19!), but I'll just drop it here. From a Turning Point USA event on Monday, comment starts at 1:12:44.


While speaking at a Turning Point USA event this Monday night, Charlie Kirk took a question from a member of the audience — a question the audience member admitted was “a bit out of the ordinary.”

“At this point, we’re living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns?” the man asked, clarifying that his question was not a joke. “I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?”
They are absolutely itching for an excuse - any excuse - to begin shooting those they don't agree with.
Florida already legalized murdering them with cars...
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Pyperkub wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:29 pm Florida already legalized murdering them with cars...
That's just BLM protestors though. Definitely not brave patriots like these (who are also shutting down bridges and impeding traffic).

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Skinypupy wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:08 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:29 pm Florida already legalized murdering them with cars...
That's just BLM protestors though. Definitely not brave patriots like these (who are also shutting down bridges and impeding traffic).

Eh, you give them credit for having enough foresight and being competent enough to outlaw that. I'm not sold ;).
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:09 pm The GOP seems really good at setting up plausible deniability.

"He was antifa."

"I'm a tourist and we were just visiting."

"I wore a bullet proof vest to the 1/6 speech because I was cold."

I cannot take anyone seriously that claims we had no way of seeing what's coming.
See, not only was the guy making the "why can't we just shoot them?" comment an antifa plant, but all those in the crowd who gave a rousing round of applause for the comments were also all antifa. It's incredible, really.

The depth and breadth to which the liberals have infiltrated these MAGA events to make them all look bad is truly astounding! :roll:
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Kinzinger throws in the towel on re-election. I wouldn't say he has been great outside his condemnation of Trump/Capitol riots but it seemed inevitable the 10 who voted for impeachment in the House would eventually be replaced with Trumpists.

Edit: I also recall reading but can't find a source that the Illinois redistricting was heading Democratic gerrymander and his district was going to be packed with Rs which is only going to intensify the crazy there.
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An example of how the Overton window shifts over time. DeSantis is now within 'normal parameters'? Sort of the ignores the Trump-y stuff he did like lie about COVID, fire people who told the truth about COVID, sent the police after the people who told the truth about COVID, etc.

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Sort of a false choice at the end of the day. If Trump runs (and 90%+ chance that he does) then I can't see DeSantis challenging him.

Now, in a pretend world where Trump and DeSantis are running competitively with each other in a GOP primary, is there a case to support DeSantis as a way to block a Trump restoration? Probably, though I wouldn't assume that a DeSantis-led GOP would behave materially better.
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If Trump hasn't gone visibly senile and declares his candidacy, are we sure that most states will even hold a GOP primary? Are they somehow required to?

The real GOP race could be for Trump's running mate, and I assume a Trump-DeSantis ticket is most likely.
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I actually don't think he would take him as a running mate. Takes too much attention away from him which isn't going to fly.
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Yeah. A model for this choice is Pence. Pence brought establishment moderates in the base around and was seen as wallpaper. He ended up not being quite loyal enough to Trump individually. This time Trump will not need any base support. He'll pick a reliable loyalist who can be the new wallpaper. Maybe DeSantis figures out how to pull that off but I don't see it working.
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