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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:09 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
He made the playoffs 7 times? Practically a god.
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naednek wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:14 pm
Scuzz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:01 pm Garrett wasn't fired, he just wasn't re-hired.

The Cowboys have hired Mike McCarthey, ex-Packers coach. Not a glamour hiring for sure, but did anyone really think they would hire the other guy they have interviewed, Marvin Lewis. Jerry needed someone who would put up with his meddling.
Cowboys met with Lewis to meet the Rooney rule or whatever it's called. I hate the rule because all it is a checkmark so that they cans say, see, we looked at a minority, and then move on to who they really wanted.

I don't see Cowboys and McCarthey lasting too long.
I'm perfectly fine with the Cowboys remaining a hot mess. Sitting ringside for that circus entertains me even when my own team can not.

Oh, and Dak Prescott doesn't have a contract for 2020.
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Lorini wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:22 pm
naednek wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:14 pm
Scuzz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:01 pm Garrett wasn't fired, he just wasn't re-hired.

The Cowboys have hired Mike McCarthey, ex-Packers coach. Not a glamour hiring for sure, but did anyone really think they would hire the other guy they have interviewed, Marvin Lewis. Jerry needed someone who would put up with his meddling.
Cowboys met with Lewis to meet the Rooney rule or whatever it's called. I hate the rule because all it is a checkmark so that they cans say, see, we looked at a minority, and then move on to who they really wanted.

I don't see Cowboys and McCarthey lasting too long.
Mike Tomlin was hired through the Rooney rule. They had no intentions of interviewing him when Cowher retired but did so because of the rule and he's won like what 2 superbowls so it was a good idea all around. Clearly the league should have forced Mark Davis to interview minority candidates as the one he chose is a brain dead idiot.
I'm glad the Rooney rule has some value, I just think its disingenuous to minorities in general. I wish we didn't live in a world that we still look at color or sex or any non-job conforming value to hire someone. I know in a perfect world we'd hire based on who has the best skills\knowledge of that field. But that's never going to happen. I don't think majority of the time when a minority gets interviewed will lead to a hire. I think it's simply a checkbox for owners to get by the NFL's mandate. And that's sad.
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The video I posted above was saying that some black candidates decline to state their race so they won't be a 'check the box' candidate, so there is certainly some concern about that. I don't know what else the NFL can do. I remember when Dungy said that during an interview for a coaching job he was told that it was OK that he was black but he better not bring any black assistant coaches with him. He did not take that job of course.
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made a post that might not have come across as clearly and rather than derailing i'm removing.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:43 pm
naednek wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:14 pm
Scuzz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:01 pm Garrett wasn't fired, he just wasn't re-hired.

The Cowboys have hired Mike McCarthey, ex-Packers coach. Not a glamour hiring for sure, but did anyone really think they would hire the other guy they have interviewed, Marvin Lewis. Jerry needed someone who would put up with his meddling.
Cowboys met with Lewis to meet the Rooney rule or whatever it's called. I hate the rule because all it is a checkmark so that they cans say, see, we looked at a minority, and then move on to who they really wanted.

I don't see Cowboys and McCarthey lasting too long.
I'm perfectly fine with the Cowboys remaining a hot mess. Sitting ringside for that circus entertains me even when my own team can not.

Oh, and Dak Prescott doesn't have a contract for 2020.
I have Zeke in a keeper league. I can keep him until he retires for the same cost every year. I am not happy about this. McCarthy's running backs were unpredictable. He had some that had good years but he's much more RBBC thatn Garrett is.
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naednek wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:36 pm
Lorini wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:02 pm The video I posted above was saying that some black candidates decline to state their race so they won't be a 'check the box' candidate, so there is certainly some concern about that. I don't know what else the NFL can do. I remember when Dungy said that during an interview for a coaching job he was told that it was OK that he was black but he better not bring any black assistant coaches with him. He did not take that job of course.
you know i realized i'm saying minority, and that needs to stop. I believe if we stop trying to label everything it would go a long way from putting people in check boxes and use that to discriminate.

You and I are equal... Well I'm slightly better because of being a Giants fan, but you get the point :P
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Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
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naednek wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:14 pm
Scuzz wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:01 pm Garrett wasn't fired, he just wasn't re-hired.

The Cowboys have hired Mike McCarthey, ex-Packers coach. Not a glamour hiring for sure, but did anyone really think they would hire the other guy they have interviewed, Marvin Lewis. Jerry needed someone who would put up with his meddling.
Cowboys met with Lewis to meet the Rooney rule or whatever it's called. I hate the rule because all it is a checkmark so that they cans say, see, we looked at a minority, and then move on to who they really wanted.

I don't see Cowboys and McCarthey lasting too long.
Yea, I have no doubt Lewis was interviewed just because of the rule. I don't mind the rule. If it gets someone an interview you never know if that one interview may lead to them being noticed by someone else. Sports has always been a "who you know" industry, like many others, and getting your name out there the first time is important.
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Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:13 am
Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
The imjury happened with 10:30 left in the first quarter and the score was 0-0.
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stessier wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:50 am
Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:13 am
Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
The imjury happened with 10:30 left in the first quarter and the score was 0-0.
But they were juuuuust about to go on a 40-0 run.
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stessier wrote:
Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:13 am
Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
The imjury happened with 10:30 left in the first quarter and the score was 0-0.
Another Mandela Effect? I remember the Bengals being up by at least a score or two before the injury. I knew it happened really early in the game, but I’m surprised it was THAT early.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.
Considering it was the Bengals, I don't think it's representative of Lewis. He has 1/2 of their playoff appearances and a career winning record (compared to .416 for non-Lewis coached Bengals teams). It's like Belichick with the Browns.

I'd hire Lewis in a heartbeat. That doesn't mean it would be successful, but at least he has a competent record while dealing with terrible ownership.
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msteelers wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:49 am
stessier wrote:
Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:13 am
Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
The imjury happened with 10:30 left in the first quarter and the score was 0-0.
Another Mandela Effect? I remember the Bengals being up by at least a score or two before the injury. I knew it happened really early in the game, but I’m surprised it was THAT early.
Both teams were 11-5 that year. Pit was ranked 5th by DVOA and CIN was ranked 6th, just 1% behind. They were very evenly matched. But the first CIN play might have given you the impression a rout was possible and you just ran with it. :)
On the Bengals' first pass play, Carson Palmer threw a 66-yard pass to rookie receiver Chris Henry. It was the longest completion in Bengals playoff history. After Palmer released the pass, Steelers defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen fell to the ground and wrapped up Palmers leg to bring him down which resulted in a bad injury. Von Oelhoffen later publicly apologized. A magnetic resonance imaging test revealed a severe knee injury, thought to be career-threatening at the time; Palmer had tears of both the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments as well as cartilage and meniscus damage. Coincidentally, Henry himself suffered a knee injury on the same play, though far less severe. With Palmer out of the game, the Steelers went on to win 31–17 en route to their Super Bowl XL victory over the Seattle Seahawks.[49]
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stessier wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:51 pm
msteelers wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:49 am
stessier wrote:
Pyperkub wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:13 am
Jaymann wrote:
stessier wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:36 pm
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:27 pm But Lewis had an epically bad record. That's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

We're talking Marvin Lewis, right?? He has a career winning record (131-122-3). With the Bengals. The guy is practically a god.
I should have said playoff record where he is 0-7.
Funny thing is that if the Steelers don't take out Carson Palmer's knee in the playoffs early in his career, I think that record is completely different. They were on the verge of blowing the steelers out in that game, and nothing was the same afterwards.
The imjury happened with 10:30 left in the first quarter and the score was 0-0.
Another Mandela Effect? I remember the Bengals being up by at least a score or two before the injury. I knew it happened really early in the game, but I’m surprised it was THAT early.
Both teams were 11-5 that year. Pit was ranked 5th by DVOA and CIN was ranked 6th, just 1% behind. They were very evenly matched. But the first CIN play might have given you the impression a rout was possible and you just ran with it. :)
On the Bengals' first pass play, Carson Palmer threw a 66-yard pass to rookie receiver Chris Henry. It was the longest completion in Bengals playoff history. After Palmer released the pass, Steelers defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen fell to the ground and wrapped up Palmers leg to bring him down which resulted in a bad injury. Von Oelhoffen later publicly apologized. A magnetic resonance imaging test revealed a severe knee injury, thought to be career-threatening at the time; Palmer had tears of both the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments as well as cartilage and meniscus damage. Coincidentally, Henry himself suffered a knee injury on the same play, though far less severe. With Palmer out of the game, the Steelers went on to win 31–17 en route to their Super Bowl XL victory over the Seattle Seahawks.[49]
Bingo. That first play was my impression of that game.
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Well, at the time Palmer was on track to complete 100% of his passes for 66 yards per pass.
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Which would have to be some sort of record.
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So the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants and Panthers are set, right? So who all is left without a HC at this point? Just Cleveland? That's it, right? And they've interviewed a bunch of people already, with more to come...

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Baroquen wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:02 pm So the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants and Panthers are set, right? So who all is left without a HC at this point? Just Cleveland? That's it, right? And they've interviewed a bunch of people already, with more to come...

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Just kidding. He's likely to go back to OC under the Giants.

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Odd that it appears likely to be no openings for Superbowl coordinators to jump on. Usually a few teams wait to see who might be available rather than swapping spit with other less-successful teams.
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Looks like McDaniels will be back as the Patriots OC.

From the reporting, it looks like the Browns coach has to submit his gameplan to the analytics team on Friday and have a sit down meeting with them in the afternoon to discuss it. Will be interesting to see how that works.
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New Orleans police on Thursday issued an arrest warrant for Cleveland Browns wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. on a complaint of simple battery.
What did he do this time?
Video surfaced this week showing Beckham slapping the buttocks of a Superdome security guard in the LSU locker room after the Tigers' national championship victory over Clemson on Monday in New Orleans.

According to records obtained by NOLA.com, the security guard had been telling LSU players to put out cigars in the locker room before he was slapped.

I mean as NFL arrest warrants go this one is almost humourous. But come on, dude.
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Dante Scarnechia, the much lauded Patriots O-line coach, is retiring (again). :( At 72, he deserves the rest, but man was he good.

Bill O'Brien just got the GM title in Houston. Which means Caserio is not going there from the Patriots (which seemed a foregone conclusion after last offseason).
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stessier wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:03 pm Bill O'Brien just got the GM title in Houston. Which means Caserio is not going there from the Patriots (which seemed a foregone conclusion after last offseason).
That seems brilliant. Give a guy who is barely succeeding and give him a bunch more responsibility.
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noxiousdog wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:37 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:03 pm Bill O'Brien just got the GM title in Houston. Which means Caserio is not going there from the Patriots (which seemed a foregone conclusion after last offseason).
That seems brilliant. Give a guy who is barely succeeding and give him a bunch more responsibility.
Yeah, and it seems like in general having the same person be coach and GM usually goes poorly.
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El Guapo wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:42 pm
noxiousdog wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:37 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:03 pm Bill O'Brien just got the GM title in Houston. Which means Caserio is not going there from the Patriots (which seemed a foregone conclusion after last offseason).
That seems brilliant. Give a guy who is barely succeeding and give him a bunch more responsibility.
Yeah, and it seems like in general having the same person be coach and GM usually goes poorly.
At least he won't be able to blame anyone else any more.
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Houston said they've been operating this way for 8 months and got to the divisional round. They want to win championships and so don't want to change. I'm not sure how those two things go together.
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SInce JJ Watt is hosting SNL, Jimmy Fallon brought in Sean Evans from the Hot Ones to promote it.
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Rivers is officially out of the Chargers.
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stessier wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:04 pm Rivers is officially out of the Chargers.
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stessier wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:18 pm Houston said they've been operating this way for 8 months and got to the divisional round. They want to win championships and so don't want to change. I'm not sure how those two things go together.
That's the path to sports purgatory where you never do bad enough to get that game-changer in the draft and fosters a culture of mediocrity. We're very familiar with the concept here.
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stessier wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:04 pm Rivers is officially out of the Chargers.
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I hope he ends up with a playoff contender team. He deserves a shot at a superbowl with a team that knows how to win and owners who understand their fans and players. Honestly, it sucks that his last year (3 really) as a Charger was in a city that didn't want the team. Its better for him to move on and hopefully land in a better place.
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Here are five of the most logical landing spots for Rivers, who will officially be free to join another team on March 18:

5. Las Vegas Raiders
4. Carolina Panthers
3. Chicago Bears
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1. Indianapolis Colts
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EvilHomer3k wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:13 pm
stessier wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:04 pm Rivers is officially out of the Chargers.
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End of an era: Los Angeles Chargers and QB Philip Rivers have mutually agreed that Rivers will enter free agency and not return to the team for the 2020 season.
I hope he ends up with a playoff contender team. He deserves a shot at a superbowl with a team that knows how to win and owners who understand their fans and players. Honestly, it sucks that his last year (3 really) as a Charger was in a city that didn't want the team. Its better for him to move on and hopefully land in a better place.
He sucked last year. He threw 20 interceptions and missed open receivers. I don't think a team who is serious about going to the SB will start him.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at Carolina if the Panthers trade or release Newton (which seems likely?). Rivers could be a decent stop-gap for a year or two until the Panthers get their next long term QB.
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So Imlawboy, Rivers an upgrade for the Bears?
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Lorini wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:38 pm So Imlawboy, Rivers an upgrade for the Bears?
Yes. Brady would be a better choice, but I'm not sure he wants to go to the windy city.
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I would imagine if Brady is leaving, the Chargers have to be one of his top choices. They have so many weapons that it’s likely his best chance to win now.
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Lorini wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:38 pm So Imlawboy, Rivers an upgrade for the Bears?
Only if they are looking for a new bus driver on the route to Nowheresville.

I can see Rivers doing the career-extending professional mid-season injury replacement guy role ala Dave Krieg. Nobody is going to hire him to be a key player in a championship run, however. He could wind up with a team that has aspirations of a top draft pick though. Sadly, that won't be the Bears because as ILB constantly rants, they gave up all of their 1st round picks for the remainder of my lifetime to trade up a spot to get Trubinsky.
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