Ford Mustang Mach-E

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:04 am

Ford has revealed the official name of its forthcoming EV SUV, which has a Mustang lineage and which will be officially revealed on November 17 in LA. The new vehicle is called the Mustang Mach-E, and following its official unveiling (hosted by Idris Elba, by the way), you’ll be able to actually sign up online and reserve one by putting down a $500 deposit.
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Ford’s teases of the vehicle so far suggest a crossover-style electric SUV, and Ford has put up some collateral on the web with a few additional clues about hat it will offer, including a targeted EPA range rating of “at least” 300 miles, and a charging rate of around 47 miles in just 10 minutes with a 150kW DC fast charger, with two years of free charging across Ford’s EV chaser network included.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am

Actual pictures here:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2972 ... suv-spied/

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:06 pm

Thanks, I hadn't seen those. I'm intrigued.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:11 pm

I think it looks pretty cool and am curious about it (particularly pricing). I would love to see more attractive EVs. The options currently are... not great.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:17 pm

I don't know about the looks - I'm not a car guy and it looks like every other crossover to me. But I'm very interested in pricing, timing, and range. Cargo capacity is probably on the list too.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:18 pm

Huh, Mustang is not a name I'd normally associate with an SUV. As for the design, maybe it will look better when it's fully unveiled, but it looks fairly tame. I guess they felt they had to use the name for something since they've stopped making cars.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:30 pm

Interestingly, the Mustang is the only car they've committed to continue producing.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:34 pm

Putting the Mustang name on a station wagon that shares no lineage with the Mustang seems like a dubious idea. I guess it will take some styling cues from the 'stang, but it weakens the brand IMO.

wonderpug · Post by **wonderpug** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:50 pm

Rumpy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:18 pm Huh, Mustang is not a name I'd normally associate with an SUV.

In looks and concept, it reminds me of the Porsche SUVs.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:11 pm

Yeah, the thought about the Porsche SUVs did come to mind. But I think it's somewhat easier to accept a Porsche SUV as one would expect a car company to expand their options. The Mustang on the other hand is a brand with specific ties to it and I can't quite get my head around the idea of a Mustang being an SUV.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:01 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:34 pm Putting the Mustang name on a station wagon that shares no lineage with the Mustang seems like a dubious idea. I guess it will take some styling cues from the 'stang, but it weakens the brand IMO.

Remember the Mustang Mach I fastbacks of the late 60s and early 70s? I think they are trying to summon up some of that nostalgia.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:11 pm

Heh, funny how I feel those were some of the uggliest Mustang designs. I don't really want them to go back in that direction.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:22 pm

I love the 71 Mach 1. Big ass car but beautiful.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:54 pm

Oh yeah, how could I forget? One of my best friends had a Mach I that was constantly being torn down in his garage and rebuilt. During those brief interludes when it actually ran, it was a monster that drew every cop in a five-mile radius. Had a gorgeous deep-black paint job with god-knows-how-many layers of clear coat. I think he still owned it when he was killed, a couple of years after I moved out of town. It looked and sounded very much like the one in Daehawk's video.

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:33 pm

Late Spring of 1988 the snow had cleared and the days were getting longer and warmer and it was time for all we good hoodlums to start hanging out and drinking beer at Riverside Park.

This dude nobody knew pulled in with his friend in a Mach 1, looked pretty much like the one in the video but green. He and his buddy in the passenger seat had spent all winter restoring and rebuilding the car and it was a beaut. They slowly chugged around the parking lot getting lots of stares and thumbs-ups. They did a really good job on this thing.

After 20 minutes or so it was passenger buddy's turn to drive around the lot. They switched seats. Buddy stomped on the gas and the Mustang hauled ass about 200 feet through the parking lot and NAILED a tree. Dudes fell out of the car, both of them screaming and holding their knees. The car was pretty much totaled and had to be towed away.

We all bailed immediately so as not to be around when the cops showed up since we were all holding. You could see the scar on that tree for a decade after.

That's the SECOND funniest thing I ever saw happen in that parking lot!

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:37 pm

What was the first?

Z-Corn · Post by **Z-Corn** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:13 am

It was the time a guy went into a porta-potty and his friends pushed it over and he came out screaming covered in blue water and toilet paper.

That was a fun park!

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:19 am

Speaking of... leaks are leaking.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... show-debut

The consumer site, which was hosted on Ford's website before it was pulled Thursday night, details the Mach-E's EPA-estimated range of 300 miles in rear-wheel-drive form in Premium trim with rear-wheel drive, with a mid-3-second sprint to 60 mph in GT spec, and an estimated DC fast charge speed of 47 miles in 10 minutes.

The site also lists the cost of the Mach-E First Edition at $59,900, Mach-E Select at $43,895, Premium at $50,600, California Route 1 at $52,400, and GT at $60,500. Those prices don't include a federal tax credit of up to $7,500 nor any applicable state or local incentives for EVs.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm

Definitely on radar.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:33 pm

I don't know how it slipped my mind that these would still have the full federal tax credit. Very interested to see the real specs.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:43 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm Definitely on radar.

Ugly but still on radar.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:47 pm

The blank grill with a small logo looks stupid.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:50 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:47 pm The blank grill with a small logo looks stupid.

Presumably it flips up to reveal assault lasers or something.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:42 pm

The more I've been thinking about it, the same question keeps coming up. "Why?" They already have two perfectly well-established SUVs and they could make electric versions of those instead of putting out the extra expense to market a new one. The only thing I can think of, knowing that electric vehicles have a lot of torque, is that they want it to be a brand that reminds people of that torque.

And as far as I know, this looks to be only in the North American market. In Europe, I could see this vehicle branded an Aston Martin electric SUV. It actually has more of an Aston Martin shape to it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:56 pm

This isn't directed at anyone specifically - but why does the branding matter to anyone? It is a vehicle that will get you places using electricity. That's what should matter.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Fundamentally, that's true. It doesn't make a wit of a difference. Personally, I've just got an interest in marketing and what drives (sorry the pun) decisions.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:38 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:34 pm Putting the Mustang name on a station wagon that shares no lineage with the Mustang seems like a dubious idea. I guess it will take some styling cues from the 'stang, but it weakens the brand IMO.

As someone who owns a Mustang, I completely concur.

Default · Post by **Default** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:07 pm

Uh, did you see the 0-60 times? Considering that sedans in general are going extinct, I have no problem with the name change. I figured out, to take advantage of the dollar to dollar tax credit, I would not start paying taxes until about now.
On the other hand, that vehicle pricing is a no go for me, at least until it has some competition.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:26 pm

I'm not saying it's not fast. It is, but then again so are a lot of electric cars. To me it's like the Porsche Cayenne that was referenced above. Yes, it's fast. It's not a sports car, though. I'd rather buy a purpose built electric SUV built to carry cargo and be versatile.

mori · Post by **mori** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:34 pm

It is not a true Mustang until one runs over someone on the sidewalk while exiting a Coffee and Cars event.

Personally I think it is a dumb move calling it a Mustang. And Mach-E is even more stupid. Mach is followed by a number, not a letter. Dumbasses.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:33 pm

stessier wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:56 pm It is a vehicle that will get you places using electricity.

You will not see an ad campaign using this catch phrase because that's not how car sales work.

Rumpy · Post by **Rumpy** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:48 pm

gbasden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:26 pm It's not a sports car, though. I'd rather buy a purpose built electric SUV built to carry cargo and be versatile.

And that's another thing about giving it the Mustang name. I don't think people buy SUVs for speed, but for versatility and cargo room, which makes me wonder what kind of demographic they're aiming this for. I mean yeah, they can be fast, but it shouldn't be a main selling point.

Default · Post by **Default** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:04 am

SUVs sell. Considering that every car is evolving into an egg shape anyway, what's the harm? Just look at "Ram".

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:56 am

The kiddies aren’t buying cars, so they need to sell anti-minivans to the parents

Default · Post by **Default** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:40 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:56 am The kiddies aren’t buying cars, so they need to sell anti-minivans to the parents

Nobody is buying cars. They are buying trucks and SUVs in 'Murrica. Regular sedans and coupes are not selling well enough for Ford to continue making them. Make your statement electric fast and long ranged and build the market for the day that battery prices come down. EV's are much cheaper to build when you factor in the elimination of the complex internal combustion engine and the transmission. Once that hurdle is passed, cheaper and smaller vehicles can be made.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:59 am

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:02 am

I like it. It's nice to see Ford touting the advantages of BEVs and busting myths in their presentation. The pricing also looks pretty compelling, given that Ford will still have the full federal tax credit when this comes out.

Timing: 1st edition late 2020 (270-mi EPA range target, AWD, ~5.5s 0-60, $60k); Premium late 2020 ($51k, 230 mi, 6s 0-60, +$2700 AWD 210 mi 5.5s, +$5000 long range 300 mi, 6.6s, +$7.7k AWD LR 270mi, 5.5s); Select edition early 2021 ($44k 230 mi, 6s; +$2700 AWD 210 mi, 5.5s); GT Spring 2021 ($61k, 250 mi, AWD, <4s).

The actual reservation/info page: linky. Go reserve, Ford fans! ($500, refundable).

A few thoughts:
-I hope they actually build these in large numbers and stock them across their entire dealership network.
-It looks like this is going to hit around the same time as the Model Y, and the vehicle's size and class compete most directly with the Y.
-Efficiency numbers are not good, but that seems to be fairly standard outside of Tesla. The Mach-E is using a 99 kWh battery to go ~250 miles in their AWD model, and 75 kWh to go 230 in RWD. The Model X, for example, uses the same size to go 325 miles in a much larger vehicle. The Model 3 uses ~75 kWh to go 322 in a slightly smaller vehicle.
-Ford, I know you're new to this, but battery capacity is measured in kWh, not kW. You are telling us how many horsepower your gasoline tank contains.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:51 am

Default wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:40 pm Nobody is buying cars. They are buying trucks and SUVs in 'Murrica.

That's not quite true. Nobody is making money selling cars made in 'Murrica. So 'Murrica makes trucks and SUVs. People still want and buy cars. They just look at the price tag and it "informs" their decision.

Select edition early 2021 ($44k 230 mi, 6s; +$2700 AWD 210 mi, 5.5s)

Given the price of new cars, that is not outside the realm of possibility. (Only, personally, I'd still have to consider my house electric and what it would take to bring me up to code to wire for a reasonable charge.)

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:58 am

LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:51 amGiven the price of new cars, that is not outside the realm of possibility. (Only, personally, I'd still have to consider my house electric and what it would take to bring me up to code to wire for a reasonable charge.)

If you make the switch, you will not regret driving electric. So much more fun than gasoline.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:04 pm

I don't so much drive for fun. The point for me would be the sticker (as shown) isn't too much higher than what I'll be forced to be pay for a new car that is not too small and uncomfortable for me. Out the door pricing might change that though and I still have to consider the unknown additional cost of hiring an electrician to modernize my electric to handle the draw. The house I live in is already over taxing the electric available to it and would need to come up to code just fix that. Any changes I make are likely to be drastic and expensive. But on the flip side, once I am forced to make any change, I might as well go whole hog.