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by **Newcastle** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:54 pm

******CURRENT VOTE TALLY*****
(i think i got this right, any mistakes do let me know)

ChrisGrenard 9 ---------- redrun, Lagom Lite, pr0ner, Qantaga, scoop, chaosraven, Isgrimnur,LordMortis, theohall
theohall - 3 ---------- ChrisGrenard, RMC, semaj,
RMC 2 ---------- Grunbegriff, bb2112,
Chaosraven 1 ---------- tru1cy
bb2112 1 ---------- Newcastle
Lord Mortis 2---------stessier, Unagi,

Not votes: msteelers,

EDIT - made sure right tally # was behind LM's name (sorry for the edit)

by **Newcastle** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:56 pm

Unagi wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote: Lord Mortis

Enjoy being wrong again.

Why on god's green earth do you think I sign up to play these games.
These games afford me the humility I just can't achieve in the real world.

by **tru1cy** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:06 pm

ezmate - jury duty sucks

We can;t vote for Theohall and we need to let the cylons prove his guilt or innocence. I have a feeling that ChrisGrenard isn't a cylon, but I am going to move my vote from withdraw ChaosRaven

and place my vote back on bb2112

His reaction to me prodding him about rambling just struck me as weird

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:08 pm

I feel certain that Theohall is evil. I'd still prefer that we lynch him now and be done with it. His play makes no sense for him being a seer.

That said, the other player I'd be willing to roll at this point would be LordMortis. I'm certainly not sure of it, but I'm sufficiently convinced to join in on that.

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:08 pm

I know this doesn't help, but I scanned Unagi, because I can never read him in these games. This way eliminated any confusion I would have about his role and allows me to focus on the remaining bad guys:

CG, RMC, semaj, and LordMortis. That's my list for now. Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

by **pr0ner** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:09 pm

If Newcastle is right (and I am sure he is), we're looking at either voting off Grenard, quickly training someone else, or passing.

I seriously prefer option A.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:10 pm

theohall wrote:I know this doesn't help, but I scanned Unagi, because I can never read him in these games. This way eliminated any confusion I would have about his role and allows me to focus on the remaining bad guys:

CG, RMC, semaj, and LordMortis. That's my list for now. Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Considering that I think Theohall is evil as all get-out, if I were a Cylon I'd name one friendly and 3 enemies on that list. For me personally, this helps exonerate RMC and semaj. That is, unless LM turns out to be a good guy.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:10 pm

pr0ner wrote:If Newcastle is right (and I am sure he is), we're looking at either voting off Grenard, quickly training someone else, or passing.

I seriously prefer option A.

I seriously prefer the opposite of that.

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:10 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:I feel certain that Theohall is evil. I'd still prefer that we lynch him now and be done with it. His play makes no sense for him being a seer.

That said, the other player I'd be willing to roll at this point would be LordMortis. I'm certainly not sure of it, but I'm sufficiently convinced to join in on that.

In other words, the Seer when threatened with being lynched should remain silent. :roll:

Good one. Kinda like encouraging folks not to lynch anyone on Day One and letting the Cylons have their way with us. Thanks for confirming your evilness even more to me.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:16 pm

theohall wrote:
ChrisGrenard wrote:I feel certain that Theohall is evil. I'd still prefer that we lynch him now and be done with it. His play makes no sense for him being a seer.

That said, the other player I'd be willing to roll at this point would be LordMortis. I'm certainly not sure of it, but I'm sufficiently convinced to join in on that.

In other words, the Seer when threatened with being lynched should remain silent. Good one. Kinda like encouraging folks not to lynch anyone on Day One and letting the Cylons have their way with us. Thanks for confirming your evilness even more to me.

You try so hard too! Nay, evil sir, I was implying that no seer in their right mind would intentionally get into a fight on day 1 with somebody they thought could be a Cylon. But then, you're just making it up as you go along at this point, and I know I've hit a nerve in there. I strongly suspect even that my original list has 2 or more cylons on it due to how hard the push has been to get me killed, despite being a non-powered.

by **redrun** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:17 pm

theohall wrote:
ChrisGrenard wrote:I believe this about this much > ||

But way to justify the fact that you'll come up Cylon after all, and trying to drive out the seer at the same time.

So yeah, I TOLD YOU GUYS SO. HELL YEAH, WHO CALLED IT, THAT'S RIGHT I DID!

So go ahead and kill the Seer. Enjoy working without one and trusting D'Anna, instead. See where that gets you all.

theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:You automatically assume he is telling the truth? I think he is lying. Much more likely we hit an Evil Cylon than our only good one.

And you will be wrong. But nothing I can say will change your opinion.

You could have simply said that you know you'll die tonight, being the seer and all that. If you're not faking, why don't you see your own death right up there on the near side of the event horizion?

So, I don't have a high level of trust in Theohall at the moment. Theohall has been pushing for the CG lynch. If CG did get lynched and did come up Cylon, it'd mean that Theohall is probably telling the truth - and Starbuck could consider protecting him. For me, I feel that if CG is evil, it is traitor style evil rather then Cylon style evil - my feeling is that CG will come up human. Therefore, I don't expect to learn anything about Theohall if CG is lynched today.

I haven't had an a-ha moment for bb2112 or LordMortis or RMC. Later this evening I'll have time to read closer - certainly before 9pm.

by **RMC** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:31 pm

Withdraw Theo

Wow... Did not see that coming... If Theo is telling the truth, and why wouldn't he? It was after the train started, of which I am guilty of contributing too, and it would be a sacrifice because the real seer would have to expose himself to out Theo.... Which would happen eventually if not tonight...

I am not sure which way to go now.. I was so sure Theo was evil...

by **msteelers** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:38 pm

RMC wrote: Withdraw Theo

Wow... Did not see that coming... If Theo is telling the truth, and why wouldn't he? It was after the train started, of which I am guilty of contributing too, and it would be a sacrifice because the real seer would have to expose himself to out Theo.... Which would happen eventually if not tonight...

I am not sure which way to go now.. I was so sure Theo was evil...

What!? What were you expecting an evil theo to say at n-2? "You got me guys, good job"? What else could an evil theo say?

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:50 pm

RMC wrote: Withdraw Theo

Wow... Did not see that coming... If Theo is telling the truth, and why wouldn't he? It was after the train started, of which I am guilty of contributing too, and it would be a sacrifice because the real seer would have to expose himself to out Theo.... Which would happen eventually if not tonight...

I am not sure which way to go now.. I was so sure Theo was evil...

This post is exceedingly naïve and/or strongly suspicious.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:54 pm

theohall
bb2112
LordMortis
RMC
pr0ner

Obviously at least 1 of those names is innocent, but I feel pretty good about it at the moment.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:56 pm

For the record, my old evil list was:

Chris Grenard a few days ago wrote:Chaosraven
theohall
pr0ner
Qantaga

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:58 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:For the record, my old evil list was:

Chris Grenard a few days ago wrote:Chaosraven
theohall
pr0ner
Qantaga

pr0ner I might agree with. The rest of them - no way.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:11 pm

theohall wrote:
ChrisGrenard wrote:For the record, my old evil list was:

Chris Grenard a few days ago wrote:Chaosraven
theohall
pr0ner
Qantaga

pr0ner I might agree with. The rest of them - no way.

Well I'm glad you disagree with my OLD list. You might notice that the only two from the old list that are also in the new list are... You and pr0ner!

by **Remus West** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:14 pm

theohall wrote:Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Why is stessier off? The reasons are anything but obvious to me. Also, "a 5th scan target"?

Frankly, I agree with LordMortis regarding this having been pushed to the last minute. Newcastle waiting so long to rez me altered the landscape for both teams - he should either have done it quickly so everyone had time to adjust to it or left me for dead. So much as I appreciate being brought back to life it has made things more difficult. That aside there were several days when not much happened at all. Deadline games require folks to push issues to the edge well before the deadline so that adjustments can be made. Nobody pushed here until today.

I was going back over some of the thread and something stood out to me. Good Chaosraven always tries to paint himself at least a little evil so that he doesn't get killed in the night. This game he has done nothing but try to appear helpful. Where is his effort to survive the night?

Chaosraven

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:22 pm

Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Why is stessier off? The reasons are anything but obvious to me. Also, "a 5th scan target"?

It would be nice to find Galen, right? Thus, 5 scan targets, since there is no chance of IDing Zarek.

by **Remus West** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:27 pm

theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Why is stessier off? The reasons are anything but obvious to me. Also, "a 5th scan target"?

It would be nice to find Galen, right? Thus, 5 scan targets, since there is no chance of IDing Zarek.

and why is stessier taken off the list?

by **msteelers** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:32 pm

Remus West wrote:I was going back over some of the thread and something stood out to me. Good Chaosraven always tries to paint himself at least a little evil so that he doesn't get killed in the night. This game he has done nothing but try to appear helpful. Where is his effort to survive the night?

I agree with pretty much everything you've been saying today, although I'm still convinced that theohall is evil and I don't like that his antic appears to be getting him a free pass for today. However, with time running out there's not much time to dwell on it and I doubt I can change enough peoples minds for it to matter.

I trust your read on chaosraven and I also trust you since for right now I know you are at least not on the evil cylon team. Otherwise I would be voting for either chris (who I think is innocent) or RMC (who I think is more foolish than evil).

chaosraven

by **Unagi** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:39 pm

RMC wrote: Withdraw Theo

Wow... Did not see that coming... If Theo is telling the truth, and why wouldn't he? It was after the train started, of which I am guilty of contributing too, and it would be a sacrifice because the real seer would have to expose himself to out Theo.... Which would happen eventually if not tonight...

I am not sure which way to go now.. I was so sure Theo was evil...

I'm sorry.
Sayyy Whhhaaaatt???

Are you saying
a) you were absolutely convinced he was totally evil
b) but now with this claim, well - it's clear he isn't... absolutely clear.

by **redrun** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:54 pm

Remus West wrote:I was going back over some of the thread and something stood out to me. Good Chaosraven always tries to paint himself at least a little evil so that he doesn't get killed in the night. This game he has done nothing but try to appear helpful. Where is his effort to survive the night?

Chaosraven

You mean he posts something like this (bottom, page 2):

Chaosraven wrote:
bb2112 wrote:The more I'm thinking obout this, I'm starting to think CR is right... Which is scary in its own right.

Hey man, I already posted my "Dude, I'm not a Cylon" defense

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:56 pm

Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Why is stessier off? The reasons are anything but obvious to me. Also, "a 5th scan target"?

It would be nice to find Galen, right? Thus, 5 scan targets, since there is no chance of IDing Zarek.

and why is stessier taken off the list?

Because he isn't trying to kill me and actively encouraged others not to kill me, so that makes him innocent in my book. Unlike some other known Humans who still seem convinced I'm evil.

Question for you guys: How many times have I faked a role and actually gotten away with it? Or better yet, how many times have a faked a role at all? Yes, it is a ploy often used by others, but it isn't something that works for me.

by **ChrisGrenard** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:57 pm

Alright, I'm going out for a social coffee-tasting thing, but I'll be back later. Sufficient to say, I've found this to be one of the most exciting days I've ever had in a WW game, the time limit really messes with things. Very fun, I approve of the style Lassr.

Also, IF I survive, can we agree not to lynch me until Theohall is tested? That would be awesome, kthnx!

by **Semaj** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:14 pm

Withdraw theohall

bbbaaahhhhhh

by **pr0ner** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:24 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:Alright, I'm going out for a social coffee-tasting thing, but I'll be back later. Sufficient to say, I've found this to be one of the most exciting days I've ever had in a WW game, the time limit really messes with things. Very fun, I approve of the style Lassr.

Also, IF I survive, can we agree not to lynch me until Theohall is tested? That would be awesome, kthnx!

Seriously? More ezmating, followed by that last line? My vote ain't moving.

by **Lassr** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:37 pm

1 Newcastle ---------- bb2112
2 tru1cy ---------- bb2112
3 RMC ----------
4 Isgrimnur ---------- ChrisGrenard
5 Chaosraven ---------- ChrisGrenard
6 bb2112 ---------- RMC
7 theohall ---------- ChrisGrenard
8 pr0ner ---------- ChrisGrenard
9 Qantaga ---------- ChrisGrenard
10 Grundbegriff ---------- RMC
11 stessier ---------- LordMortis
12 scoop ---------- ChrisGrenard
13 redrun ---------- ChrisGrenard
14 Unagi ---------- LordMortis
15 Lagom Lite ---------- ChrisGrenard
16 LordMortis ---------- ChrisGrenard
17 semaj ----------
18 ChrisGrenard ---------- theohall
19 msteelers ---------- Chaosraven
20 Remus West ---------- Chaosraven
.
ChrisGrenard 9 ---------- redrun, Lagom Lite, pr0ner, Qantaga, scoop, chaosraven, Isgrimnur,LordMortis, theohall
RMC 2 ---------- Grunbegriff, bb2112
Chaosraven 2 ---------- Remus West, msteelers
bb2112 2 ---------- Newcastle, tru1cy
LordMortis 2 ---------- stessier, Unagi
theohall - 1 ---------- ChrisGrenard
----------

Majority is: 11
Deadline is: Monday May 23rd 9 PMish Central

by **Remus West** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:46 pm

theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:
Remus West wrote:
theohall wrote:Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.

Why is stessier off? The reasons are anything but obvious to me. Also, "a 5th scan target"?

It would be nice to find Galen, right? Thus, 5 scan targets, since there is no chance of IDing Zarek.

and why is stessier taken off the list?

Because he isn't trying to kill me and actively encouraged others not to kill me, so that makes him innocent in my book. Unlike some other known Humans who still seem convinced I'm evil.

What a ridiculous statement.

by **redrun** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:46 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:There is one caveat to this: That Remus just happens to be the traitor guy. However, my conclusion is that the purpose of this game is to be on the winning team (even if you die a part of it), and even on the very off chance that Remus is the traitor, then as a human I could still end up on his team. Thus, there would be a chance of me still winning, while simultaneously lowering the odds of the Cylon team winning.

Interesting. If you put this out so as to claim non-special human later, you'd have brought this up by now. But, if you were looking at the traitor rules, you'd know he can only take non-special humans - and so, either you are the traitor and put this out as cover, or you were calling out to the traitor so as to increase your odds of winning, or you slipped up, or something I'm missing.

by **Remus West** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:47 pm

BTW, I'm going to dinner with my folks so I doubt I will be back in time for any last minute votes. May as well consider my vote locked.

by **pr0ner** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:49 pm

Remus West wrote:BTW, I'm going to dinner with my folks so I doubt I will be back in time for any last minute votes. May as well consider my vote locked.

by **theohall** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:50 pm

Looks like the evil Cylons are going to get their way and get a non-lynch on Day One.

by **Lassr** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:52 pm

maybe an hour or so extension since I will be away until about 10 or so tonight so just to let you know.

by **Chaosraven** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:55 pm

Remus West wrote:BTW, I'm going to dinner with my folks so I doubt I will be back in time for any last minute votes. May as well consider my vote locked.

dumbass. Put it where it will count.

by **redrun** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:55 pm

ChrisGrenard wrote:Now, if it *does* turn out later that pr0ner was evil, then by all means investigate me as well. Hell, if pr0ner dies and it turns out he was a powered evil, then surely I must be evil as well. (I'm not, for the record, but I admit the evidence would be damning.) Until then, at least recognize that I'm basing what I'm saying here on what I believe to be optimal for the human team(s).

Huh. "Human team(s)". Not a thought process I've seen other folks use. But, then again, you seem sure that pr0ner is human - and, unless you're a seer, only a Cylon could be sure of this. BTW, how will we know that Pr0ner is a "powered" evil? Something isn't right here. Your language or my reading of it?

by **Chaosraven** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:03 pm

Hmm. "powered evil"? Let's see... Scanner, Explosive, Sedative, ProtectorBlocker. And even the switchsides gets to Shoot. CG, could you list the 'nonpowered' for us?

by **Scoop20906** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:08 pm

Unagi wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Unagi wrote: Lord Mortis

Enjoy being wrong again.

Why on god's green earth do you think I sign up to play these games.
These games afford me the humility I just can't achieve in the real world.

LOL. You kill me sometimes, Unagi. :lol:

by **Scoop20906** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:17 pm

Ok. I guess I missed a ton of posts.

I'm caught up now. I'm staying with CG.

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